Le 16/11/2014 02:13, Ludovic Meyer a écrit : > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:05:49PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: >> Le 15/11/2014 20:24, Brian a écrit : >>> On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> >>>> Brian wrote: >>>>> On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: >>>>>>> By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It >>>>>>> duplicates >>>>>>> equivalent modular alternatives, and also requires unnecessary effort to >>>>>>> repair damage from excessive coupling. >>>>>> I challenge you to come up with a configuration that duplicates >>>>>> systemd's features with a combination of other software. >>>> That assumes that one needs or wants systemd's features. >>> I rather think Andrei might not regard this as answering his challenge. >>> (You also didn't say whether the link's picture made you chuckle :) ). >>> >>>> For some (many?) of us, systemd represents no gain, and significant >>>> operational impact (time required to deal with changes). >>> Fair enough, but working within the realities of a situation is also >>> part of the deal. The deal for Jessie is systemd. This is not on a take >>> it or leave basis; quite a lot of work has been put into ensuring the >>> alternatives you want are there. >> >> It isq : when you have bugs like >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762623 >> Once said "oh it works with systemd", then no more activity on the bug, >> nothing. > I would suggest to read the url you post. There was a message from the > maintainer saying "sorry, i tought I answered, I already reported it to > udev, please give more information on the bug". > > Then indeed, you didn't followed up. >
Sorry, I was not asked more precision since 2 days ago, and could not answer right away. >> That means that practically, systemd is de facto compulsory. Not the >> default, the only way allowed. >> >> So it is take or leave. > I think this conclusion is likely wrong and hasty, given the lack of > activity is a result on waiting on more information from the reporter. > Reporter cannot give info if not asked to... Moreover even when systemd is not pid 1, it must be used through logind, pam, etc... I cannot help more since I do not find any doc on debugging systemd components, for people not knowng systemd internals. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546a5df3.40...@rail.eu.org