Rusi Mody wrote:
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:30:06 PM UTC+5:30, Jochen Spieker wrote:
Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis:
after spending two days trying unsuccesfuly to have a usable Jessie
with one of the defaults DE and with no systemd utilities, i decided
the following. In the companie's pc's i support, i'll continue with
Wheezy and if there is no a clear path to Jessie without a trace of
systemd until Wheezy's support lifetime then bye - bye Debian.
Good luck finding *any* distro with a current Gnome that does not depend
on systemd.
I really don't get why Debian receives so much hate in this discussion.
Upstream software depending on systemd is not Debian's choice.
I guess because Debian spokespersons [whatever that may mean :-) ]
are not clear enough to say that the problem is more gnome than systemd.
All that debian has to say officially is (something like):
- If you want gnome you get systemd. Not ideal but currently cant be helped.
[Alternatives to gnome are x,y,z...]
- If you dont take gnome then debian guarantees init-system-independence; to
wit:
Take any one of systemd, upstart, sysv, (or others?) and everything should
work
If not its a bug, please file a report and debian will try to close it.
And, unfortunately, that second statement is not being enforced -- for
example by including a choice of init systems in the installer. At the
moment, the install preseed mechanism that would allow one to chose
another init system is broken (there's a contributed patch, but it
doesn't seem to be a priority to include that in the upcoming release).
Worse, it is proving rather difficult to replace systemd once installed
- without getting dragged into dependency hell. Bugs related to init
system dependencies do NOT seem to be getting any priority. And it was
such a nice distribution. Sigh...
Miles Fidelman
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