Hi Joe, Am Samstag, 18. Oktober 2014, 21:17:48 schrieb Joe: > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:44:23 -0500 > > Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> wrote: > > No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up > > front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my > > laptop running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager > > suspend nor hibernate are available any more unless I install the > > policykit-1 package recommended by the upower package which depends on > > libpam-systemd which, even if I install systemd-shim, also installs > > the systemd package as a dependency, even though it won't run as PID > > 1. > > > > Has anyone worked out a way to enable suspend in xfce4-power-manager > > without ultimately installing systemd? > > No, but this sheds a little light elsewhere. About a year ago I was on > LXDE, and suddenly the GUI shutdown and reboot stopped working. I spent > a month or so typing in a password in order to shut down my single-user > workstation, then got fed up with it. There seemed to be no suggestion > as to when it might be fixed, nor any hint that I needed to install > anything else, so I switched to Xfce. > > I've never got suspend, hibernate etc. to stay working properly on sid > for any length of time, and the only non-sid Linux installation I have > is a server, so I don't use them.
Look here: Bug #727645 [polkit-kde-1] polkit-kde-1: requires root password for hibernate, wrongly reports other users are logged https://bugs.debian.org/727645 Bug #717731 [upower] upower: authentification is required for hibernating while other users are logged in https://bugs.debian.org/717731 and more recently here: Bug#747939: systemd: prevents hibernation without password with open screen session in other login session https://bugs.debian.org/747939 I am not even sure that has been all reports of mine. I had it with a second KDE session, I have it with a screen session inside a KDE session, in any account it was so dire insane it isn´t even funny anymore. I still have the following polkit in there, cause with two KDE sessions open I think I still have the issue: merkaba:/etc/polkit-1> cat ./localauthority/50- local.d/org.freedesktop.upower.pkla [Suspend/hibernate permissions] Identity=unix-group:sudo Action=org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple- sessions;org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-multiple-sessions ResultAny=yes ResultInactive=yes ResultActive=yes I think any asking for a password on a *single seat* machine for hibernation is a bug, is a bug, is a bug. I am the only one with a keyboard on it, and I am the only one allowed to SSH into it, so I am the only one permitted to hibernate the system. And if I do this from a unlocked desktop session, I am authenticated already, so please just leave me *alone*. I dislike software that tries to be more intelligent as me. I dislike policies like this limiting my freedom. And I invite you to comment or add to the bug reports I mentioned, or if they are closed already, and you still have an issue, open a new one and tell me. So far it feels to me that I have been the only one yelling to the developers regarding that dire policy insanity. Its as insane as requiring a root login for Linus daughter in order to set up a printer in some OpenSUSE version. I may one day try again without the above file to make policykit policy sane. It might even be important, cause if Jessie gets released with that insanity, I can only imagine the uproar here on this list, in bug tracker, and elsewhere. Well, maybe it has been fixed meanwhile, I didn´t try removing the file for a while. Cause honestly I couldn´t be bothered with this kind of dire insanity anymore. But on any account, people, please report bugs. Please make your voice regarding systemd and/or policykit troubles be heard. As long as I am one of the few reporting things there… chances are I might get ignored again. Of course it also depends on the tone. Express your anger and your frustration in a "I am" way? Sure. But avoid accusing or insulting people. So please don´t just use above work-around – or policy *correction* – also voice your concern, and if it is a simple "I have this issue two with this and that…" mail to one of the existing bug reports. Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1590834.76OczWI13J@merkaba
