On 16/10/14 00:14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 15.10.2014 12:37, Scott Ferguson a écrit : >> On 15/10/14 22:08, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >>> >>> >>> Le 15.10.2014 12:09, Brian a écrit : >>>> On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Le 15.10.2014 09:11, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : >>>>> >On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51:07AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >>>>> >>Check out what single company has 30% of the gatekeepers. Surprise, >>>>> >>surprise. >>>>> > >>>>> >Damned for their success. We want Linux to be successful, but woe >>>>> >betide any >>>>> >company that actually gets us there... >>>>> >>>>> Maybe you want. >>>>> But I think that most users just want it to work fine and >>>>> efficiently, which does not necessarily imply being sold massively >>>>> around the world. >> >> I would have 'thought' all users want "it" to be "useful" - but surely I >> miss your point? (was there a point? I can only work with the words you >> write and it reads like sophist rhetoric, assume the first nonsense is >> not and it follows that neither is the second). As far as I'm aware >> Debian has *never* been sold anywhere, nor are there plans to - did I >> miss another meeting down the docks? > > I have never seen Debian sold either. But I was replying to a mail > speaking about linux (which is, indirectly, sold with a lot of devices). > My point is that there is no need to linux to have commercial sex-appeal > to work fine and efficiently, or to make it useful. The fact that > companies uses it in their products is simply because it suits their > needs better than the alternatives they have checked.
Agreed - I'm not one of those people who believe in "desktop wars" (which smacks of foolish fanboism). In most case (embedded and server) the end-user has no idea about the OS. As I stated - I can only work with the words that are written - not with what is now, apparently, "what you meant to say". Call it clarification if you like. Nor did I believe you said it. > >> >>>> >>>> He's doing some of the work on Debian; others work with different >>>> distributions. They get what they want. Users get what they want. >>>> Everyone's a winner. :) >>> >>> Maybe. But, when someone tries to sell stuff a lot, to have a big market >>> share, then that guy must take a large target, which leads to systems >>> which might become less stable or less efficient. And if that guy want >>> to keep his market, then he'll have to avoid people escaping his stuff, >>> this is why vendor locks exists. >> >> I could quote you Adam Smith on commerce and conspiracy - though I >> seriously doubt he ever meant there are no non-business conspiracies. He >> was smarter than that. >> >> But it'd be more pertinent to note that servers cost money to run and >> Debian (and the FSF) do a good job of not allowing any contributions in >> labour or money to control it's production or direction. To allow the >> former would be both foolish and ignore the nature of Free Open Source >> Software. I can't think of any distro that doesn't accept assistance >> from business. > > I never said that Debian, Please - there's no need to be so defensive. I carefully inserted my response *below* what I'm responding to. Just because your name is in the thread doesn't mean every response is about what you said. I can follow who said what - can't you? > or whatever free software, should refuse > contributions because the contributor is financially interested by the > quality of the project. I simply said that big companies' input is not > necessary (not that it's not useful), and I think I can argue that, > AFAIK, either linux or debian, started without such inputs. If there is > now that kind of input, it's good, but it's not because those projects > wanted to "seduce" those big companies. And now you're just lugging goal posts. Sad. You did say you had a problem with Debian using commercially sponsored code - and therefore were considering NetBSD - I simply pointed out that so does NetBSD. I note that you removed my point that all distros use commercially sponsored code. > >> Here's a good place to start your "looking":- >> http://www.netbsd.org/contrib/org/ >> >> Kind regards > > Indeed. > > Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/543f0092.3020...@gmail.com
