Hi. On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:15:43 +0200 Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> wrote:
> > 2 - daemontools, runit, many others. > > Then go and support these. Test them and help them to be available and tested > in Debian. Help them so have sane defaults and so. But I don't have to :) Both daemontools and runit have their maintainers already. If those kind souls step down from their duty - I may consider that. > If you don´t like systemd as a default in Debian that are at least some other > options for acting on it. I'm indifferent to s*stemd. What I care about is choice, and Debian provided me one so far. And, with the little help of 'equivs' and 'dpkg-buildpackage' - does so in the current stable and testing. > > 3 - usability of 'systemctl status' feature is actually questionable, if > > you count in troubleshooting-over-phone usecase. In that case less is > > better than more. > > Oh, in that case I certainly prefer a this and this and this and prefer to > listen for the phone partner to read it all out… instead of "oh it failed, > but > it doesn´t tell why". No offense, but have you done support-over-phone before? Waiting for the customer to find and read a single 'sentence' (i.e. relatively short command output) is painful enough, even if they manage to do it correctly on the first try. Forcing them to read a 'paragraph' (typical output of 'systemctl status' is an excellent example of such) can be considered a 'cruel and unusual punishment' in some countries. If you can view it by yourself - sure, more is better. If you depend on others to view it - less is better. And, please note, that original statement was 'Compare systemctl service status with /etc/init.d/service status. Its obvious that the systemctl output is way more useful to administrators'. I merely provided an example of the contrary. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140928154813.3cf1468cd5bc754b0bd1a...@gmail.com
