On 23/06/2014, Bob Proulx <b...@proulx.com> wrote: > Bret Busby wrote: >> Tom H wrote: >> > Bret Busby wrote: >> >> Bob Proulx wrote: >> >>> This is one of those religious wars that has been fought and won and >> >>> lost many times across the Internet. Please don't start it up again >> >>> here. If you do really want to do so please use the off-topic mailing >> >>> list d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org since the issue has >> >>> nothing to do with using Debian. >> >> >> >> Given what has already hapened within the thread, the above >> >> message to which I am responding, appears to be a troll. >> > >> > Requesting that you take a religious-type discussion (like a list's >> > "Reply To" settings) to the OT list isn't trolling! >> >> If either you or he, had read what had aleardy passed in the thread, >> you and he would have seen that the matter had been dealt with, > > I had read through the thread. For reference it starts here: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/06/msg01192.html > > And it was that message to which I replied. "wes" kindly pointed to a > different thread of discussion which clarified things somewhat. > However that was a different thread and I had skipped over reading it. > >> resulting in my making a request for change, to the people maintaining >> PINE/ALPINE, to allow the option of replying to a list, using the >> List-Post field value in message headers, which solution had been >> included in the previous postings in the thread. > > Sorry but it was not clear to me in the thread that you were making an > enhancement request for the alpine package. > > As a suggestion I doubt the alpine package maintainers are reading > this mailing list. I haven't seen the maintainer's address here, that > I have noticed. It it much better for enhancement requests if a > wishlist bug is filed against the package in the BTS. That will get > the attention of the maintainer. But unless someone actually steps > forward and does the work it still probably won't get done. But at > least the effort will be documented in an easier to locate place. > > Most work for enhancing is better done directly with the upstream > maintainers. It is controversial how many patches should be > maintained downstream in Debian. Some think many. Some think none. > Many upstreams become upset if their software is modified. Some > welcome it. Therefore I think it is best to try to work with the > upstream project directly when possible to develop new features. > >> I had not previously been aware of RFC2369, and so, the thread, with >> its responses before the trolls, had been constructive and >> educational, which, I believe is supposed to be the purpose of this >> mailing list. >> >> Gmail appears to not have provision for making Requests For Change, >> regarding the Gmail email facility, so I appear to not be able to make >> a Request For Change, to the Gmail people, which could solve the >> problem in using Gmail.. > > Google is rather notorious for being hard to reach on such things. > >> I had posted what I had posted, regarding the abillity to reply to the >> list, solution had been posted and demonstrated, and, the matter had >> (I believe) been closed, insofar as the thread on this list, had been >> concerned. >> >> The subsequent messages posted by >> <b...@proulx.com> >> <tomh0...@gmail.com> >> <lazyvi...@gmx.com> >> were inflammatory, and, posted for the purpose of being inflammatory, >> making them trolls. > > Two of those three certainly were not. But somehow I think we are > using different definitions for an internet troll. A troll is almost > always trying to increase noise in a newsgroup or mailing list by > stirring up trouble. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) > > The messages you are marking as trolling are trying to reduce noise on > this mailing list. Because discussions of reply-to have historically > been very controversial topics. We have been there many times. > >> The thread had come to an end; it had the solution, and, the thread >> had died, and those people revived it, to create a zombie for evil >> purposes. > > Let me formally apologize if I misunderstood your message. My mistake > was reading your message and thinking you were asking for a > controversial change to the mailing list. If past history is a > prediction that would have started a discussion hundreds of messages > long. If I had understood that you were asking for an enhancement > request for a package I wouldn't have commented as I did. Therefore > let me say that I am sorry if I offended you. I am also sorry if I > extended a discussion that had concluded. No evil was intended. > > Please be careful directly calling people trolls however. We try to > be a pleasant and welcoming place here on the mailing list. But ad > hominem attacks never go well for anyone. My advice is to avoid using > that perjorative directly against people. It is too easy to take it > personally since personally is how it is directed. Therefore my best > advice is to avoid it. :-) > > Bob >
With everything that has been posted in this thread, let us just end the thread, please. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 .................................................... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8MM1w+Kj0-MqWM5DbtrBccwzQLrHg=xb3exagm60gu...@mail.gmail.com
