On 6/9/14, Mike McGinn <mikemcg...@mcginnweb.net> wrote: > On Sunday, June 08, 2014 10:32:20 Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> On 8/06/2014 10:58 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: >> > In the past few days, there have been many insulting, abusive and off >> > topic messages sent to this mailing list.
Agreed. >> For the public record, I need to make it clear that posts made by an >> aggrieved other user of this mailing list have no merit. To adults, no, you don't "need to make it clear...". It is blindingly obvious to adults that childishness is childishness, and that vidictiveness is vidictiveness, and racism is racism, etc, etc. > Are we still in preschool? All about how aggrieved who, who insulted > who, he took my truck ... > Get over it. > You are ruining this for those of us who are adults. Perhaps we need a d-uncensored-unmoderated-adults-only@... ? I know I would subscribe and treat that as what I thought offtopic- was meant to be... I am actually able to read a caution (against myself) or an insult or an impersonation and remind myself of the half a vertebrae that I have and choose to ignore the immature/ racist/ insulting/ offensive/ complaining/ etc words. THEY'RE JUST WORDS! So Mike, I agree with you! I am happy for Lisi to point out in a nicely succinct way that indeed what someone said was racist. I am happy for Jerry to defend his honour SIX times in a row. I really don't give a firetruck myself and could not be bothered most of the time to ever respond in these ways at all. But I'm happy that those who care, feel confident enough to say what they believe needs to be said. And occasionally I back someone up when I feel that a back-you-up comment will help to strengthen someone or others on the list, to help the overall ambiance so those who are not so robust as I, feel free and confident to speak their truth. This is what I strive for. This is all simple human nature, and the journeys that each person goes through, and a community will thrive or die or languish based on how people generally treat each other. I've embarrassed myself no end, in hindsight. To the point where I felt compelled to apologize to someone offlist. I don't blame anyone but myself for everything I've ever said - immaturity is what it is and I hope that folks around here forgive me. But I do feel very sad to see Captain COC prance in and threaten the end of our mailing lists because of a few "bad eggs". Truly, we are consenting to, no actually DEMANDING (in various cases) a Cotton Wool (TM) (R) (C) environment. Do we really want to circumvent people's journeys in life? Do we really want to say that the only possible expressions on _our_ lists are to be candy-coated sweetness and love and light filled rainbows of angel breath? Do we really want to deny the opportunity to each other to receive any tough love whatsoever, and those opportunities which follow on from tough love and egregious words, such as mutual support and genuine care for one another - which expressions always follow. ????? Without trial by fire, we cannot see the true mettle of others on the list. It is only through the trials that we get to see other sides of each other, either sides we don't like or sides we do like! This is where strength of relationships actually arises. But "the community" seems to be pushing blindly into a bland corporate-style perfect utopian tech only thing. Bleh! I've been told by two people in the last 8 months that they've killfiled me. So be it. That is their free will, their right, and it was their right to tell me so. I am neither upset, nor gleeful, merely ambivalent. I say that those individuals have probably not heard me. But then I say that I most likely spoke in less than optimal ways to communicate any 'useful' concepts in those instances that lead to those individuals to killfile me. So be it. I wish I could do better and bring nothing but cutting truth and insightful data to everyone all the time. That's not possible. Why? Because I am human. I am just me. Just a below-average kinda person in many ways with an above-average ego in too many ways. Peace, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caosgnsqrgl7g9h3uyi60ago+2qletarg50snc_rwvpjvp7h...@mail.gmail.com
