On Fri 30 May 2014 at 14:09:53 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> I guess what I'm saying is this: I know KDE is a Desktop Environment,
> and I know that JWM is a Window Manager, but with anything between
> those extremes, I don't know what to call it, and I guarantee you that
> if I call it one or the other, the guy I'm talking with will tell me
> I'm wrong.
> 
> And even beyond that, I just don't understand the significance of the
> distinction.

History helps. Or should do.

The start.
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   http://www.kde.org/announcements/announcement.php

The reaction.
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   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1997/08/msg02286.html

The underdog.
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:udEA7QaDm88J:linuxgazette.net/issue43/jacobowitz.xfce.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

   http://linuxgazette.net/issue43/jacobowitz.xfce.html

The newcomer.
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   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE#History

The plan.
---------

   Common look and feel. Visual elements and UI concepts shared amongst
   applications. Standardise the desktop. One set of widgets. Parts
   should fit together and work together.

The outcome.
------------

   Variety within Debian is alive and thriving.

The future.
-----------

   History will continue to be ignored. The difference between a WM and
   a DE will continue to be misunderstood. Technical developments will
   be heavily criticised on the grounds they are new. Most people will
   be happy with a metapackage which gives them a set of applications
   they are comfortable with and can work with. I will carry on building
   my own desktop environments and use fvwm.


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