On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 03:05:57PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 01 Apr 2014 at 06:57:03 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: > > > In my opinion no - expecting new users to Debian to read an install > > report is problematic. Using the net-install I wasn't prompted for what I > > wanted in terms of a Desktop Environment. Xfce4 isn't what most > > users with modern hardware would want in my opinion - it's a Luddite DE. > > Install report? Maybe I wasn't clear: from d-i's main menu it only takes > a minor bit of exploring for a user to be prompted to install one of the > three alternative DEs. Surely that makes the argument about GNOME not > being the default verge on the irrelevant.
Not for novices - maybe I'm not being clear. It is not easy for novices to figure this out on a strange OS. You expect them to do an expert install to do this? > A decision on the eventual default DE is due to be made closer to the > freeze. I can well imagine an antipathy towards Xfce playing a part in > any possible discussion. Well I hope it's not Xfce4 - can't imagine people coming to Debian from say Windows wanting that choice. Gnome-Shell is becoming quite mature and it just works. > > But not having wireless networking enabled is a deal breaker too - > > especially since it was working during the install process. Not many > > people using a laptop are going to have wired ethernet either. <shrug> > > At the end of my successful install /var/log/installer/syslog has: > > Mar 29 14:03:43 cdrom-detect: Unmounting and ejecting '/dev/sdc1' > Mar 29 14:03:43 finish-install: info: Running > /usr/lib/finish-install.d/20final-message > Mar 29 14:03:43 kernel: [ 3546.317867] sdc: detected capacity change from > 515899392 to 0 > Mar 29 14:04:55 kernel: [ 3618.294730] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device > number 5 > Mar 29 14:04:57 finish-install: info: Running > /usr/lib/finish-install.d/30hw-detect > Mar 29 14:04:57 finish-install: info: Running > /usr/lib/finish-install.d/50config-target-network > Mar 29 14:04:57 finish-install: info: Running > /usr/lib/finish-install.d/55netcfg-copy-config > Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: INFO: Starting netcfg v.1.115 (built > 20140314-1638) > Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: No interface given; clearing > /etc/network/interfaces > Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: Writing informative header > Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: Success! > Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: Writing loopback interface > Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: Success! > > 55netcfg-copy-config carries out the changes to /e/n/i described in an > earlier mail. In your case (and mine) it configures the network to use > network-manager (note "clearing /etc/network/interfaces"). NM is only > used *after* the install so you appear to have encountered a possible > bug with it on the installed system. Not that that will make you feel > any better. :) As I mentioned not on the net-install, I've had no problem with a full DVD 1 install, on other boxen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402011316.GA11778@Jessie
