On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 07:44 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 11:51 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: > > On Monday, December 02, 2013 06:26:26 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 11:20 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 02, 2013 05:56:09 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 10:27 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: > > > > > > On Monday, December 02, 2013 05:14:17 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 15:14:27 +0100, AP > > > > > > > <worldwithoutfen...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I can't remember what I tested a while ago. Perhaps Claws, > > > > > > > >> maybe > > > > > > > >> Sylpheed. I'll try _both_ again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have all tried Thunderbird? I am eager to know about it. Is it > > > > > > > > excellent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I used it for years, it was and likely is excellent, but not a > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > Linux app and as already mentioned before, I dislike the Mozilla > > > > > > > policy. > > > > > > > It's my eccentric, whimsical notion that I don't use Mozillas _if > > > > > > > possible_, but I also guess that ... [1]. IOW Mozilla as a MUA for > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > never ever again. As browser I still use QupZilla and the Tor > > > > > > > Browser > > > > > > > Bundle quasi based on Mozilla software. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would you say it's not Linux native? Is Thunderbird not compiled > > > > > > for > > > > > > Linux? It's not running on Java or Mono or anything, is it? I don't > > > > > > follow > > > > > > your logic here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean it's not exclusive to Linux? That's true, but why is > > > > > > that > > > > > > a > > > > > > bad > > > > > > thing? > > > > > > > > > > If you want adapt a Microsoft/Apple policy to Linux, then Mozillas are > > > > > perfect. Go and give Google all your private data, don't care about > > > > > the > > > > > freedom to choose a mail format, use mbox (yes, it's UNIX, not > > > > > Microsoft, but how often is it used by Linux MUAs?) ... Mozilla > > > > > software > > > > > is excellent regarding to technically aspects, but not regarding to > > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > I don't see how POP3 or IMAP services are "nonfree" just because you > > > > have > > > > data on a server somewhere. There might be privacy concerns but those > > > > protocols are just as open as mbox is. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you can elaborate how Mozilla's approach is "nonfree" aside from > > > > the trademark issue we already know about. > > > > > > You misunderstood my point. There might be nothing bad with using mbox, > > > but having the freedom to chose mbox or maldir is the freedom to chose. > > > Mozillas nanny you, they chose the mail format for you, the chose Google > > > as startpage for you, they make decisions for you. I want to decide on > > > my own. I don't need somebody to make decisions for me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ralf > > > > Oh, that does clear it up. But again, I don't see that as a "free vs. > > nonfree" > > issue. Most software will choose defaults for you and you can change it, > > even > > Mozilla. I'm a KDE user, often a lot of KDE defaults I don't like or don't > > make sense, Kopete being perhaps the worst offender. > > > > I often don't care for software that requires user-side configuration to > > already be in place when run. By user-side I mean dotfiles in home > > directory. I > > do not really mind if I have to set something up in /etc, however, largely > > because I will most often be changing the defaults. > > > > I prefer Google anyway, though, as I have yet to see a search engine that > > works nearly as well. I know a lot of people rave about Duck Duck Go, but > > every time I use it it loves to bring up results in an order that doesn't > > hit > > the same sort of relevance as Google. But Google using my search for > > advertising doesn't bother me. > > > > Conrad > > My aversion against Mozillas is not objective. For me they cause a > "Windows feeling". Once upon a time especially the browsers where good, > but then they changed the sorting of the history and I never found out > how to get back a sane sorting, that is common for most browsers. For > the MUAs sharing the mails with other installs was and likely is a PITA. > I'm not thinking about sharing by IMAP, just simply linking the mbox > thingy. > Still unique and very good is that the browsers provide profiles, all > the add-ons. However, it's bloated software, even for the separated MUA > and browser we nowadays know as Thunderbird and Firefox. > The options to edit HTML mails in every why fakes that HTML mails do > work, will look the same at the recipient's side, but a HTML mail at > best can be share among MUAs by simple HTML editing and it anyway is > better to prefer plain text.
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