On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 08:00 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> [snip] I'm guessing that discussing that there will be going over old
> ground for many of the subscribers. [snip]

That's the point, it's not that I don't care about this issue, but it's
not a new issue, just because there were those "news" about the NSA and
even while the news that the amount of the British data collection is
bulkier than the one of the Pentagon are new, the problem still isn't
new. No need to panic!

When I set up my first Internet machine around 10 years ago I was
thinking about this issue, it was a little bit before or after 9/11, but
e.g. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Bundestrojaner always was discussed,
even before it was named. I read that 2007 most people who were ask were
pro this unconstitutional online search.

Most people are stupid! In their minds they guess that it's ok, if
somebody has nothing to hide, then it should be ok not to care about
data protection. Fortunately those idiots are the once who run into
issues, but not because the NSA does spy, but because they get mail from
the department of public prosecution, because they were caught when
uploading, while downloading illegal torrents :D, because there
colleagues are able to read their open profile and the porn pics, while
they thought the profile at Faceslap is closed for public etc.. They
aren't aware that they are the once who have something to hide, but they
aren't aware what everybody and what a judge is able to see.

Most of as know what can be seen and what not, so because we're aware
about this issues, we can be careful, so it's completely irrelevant for
us.

Would anybody trust the news that claim "since today all governments
never ever will spy and collect the data anymore"? "All the people who
protested against it made all the nations understanding that they did
something wrong and from today on they never ever will do it again and
beyond that Debian and other Linux distros have found a protection that
is absolutely 101% safe."

There's nothing we can do, nothing to talk about.


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