Le Ven 30 novembre 2012 11:49, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:16 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> On 11/30/12, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I would describe the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian like >>> this: >>> >>> >>> Without Debian there would be no successful Ubuntu, but without >>> Ubuntu >>> there still would be a successful Debian. >> >> This is true, Debian being what it is, a community based, largely >> volunteer effort, it shall continue regardless of the profit or not of >> any particular company. >> >> I sure hope to see the day that Ubuntu announces a true profit though, >> the more companies that survive, which companies also make some >> contributions to the libre software ecosystem, the better. > > > I started with Suse 9.0, when Suse wasn't Novell. Novell, Red Hat and > Mark Shuttleworth killed Linux, time to look out for other *NIX or to > follow them. The variety of Linux already is dead. Hum... As far as I know (and as distrowatch say), there are still many linux distributions. I like variety, or to be more exact, Debian teach me to like it, but I only like it when I can see and understand the difference between choices. I am still a linux newbie, and I still only have really experienced one distro, but as a newbie I can say that I do not see the difference between distributions, and so, I do not see why I should try another binary one.
Ah, yes, package's age, package's system (but I do not know the difference in terms of power between rpm and deb, by example) and graphical configuration system (someone said me on a developpez.com thread). So, well, I agree, less choice. But was there real differences between all of those old distros? I think less choice is sometimes a requirement to help people doing a true choice. Do you know why I firstly choosed Debian? It have the reputation of a hard to install distro, and at that time I thought I was good with computers. I managed to install it the first time, without manual or problems. But I had no graphic interface, and even if I was able to use command-lines (I was accustomed to DOS) I had no clue about what to do to install Xorg. Well, I did not even known that it exists :D (strange: now I'm really better in computer sciences, but I think/claim everywhere that I am a newbie. Times and people change...) Some months later, I bought a magazine shipping live ubuntu. I tried it. I did not liked it's desktop and so returned to my good old xp (or was it 98se?). But it made me aware that it was possible to have convenient graphical environment and easy installation systems for a linux-based OS. So, no, Ubuntu did not killed linux. And honestly, Ubuntu and Fedora can not choose for Debian or gentoo, by example. Each distro should follow it's own way, and if there ways converge, so maybe that's not so useful to have tons of distros. > Take a look at the thread "Notifications changed in LXDE under wheezy" > for Xfce an issue too. > > FUD? Again, people might chose applications that don't have insane > dependencies, MUAs without a GUI etc., but we don't have the freedom to use > what app we want, as it was possible in the past. With XFCE, at least in 4.08 and 4.10, it is possible when I was using them. You can install any file manager, window manager, notification daemon/plug-in you want, if it fills freedesktop's recommendations, it will integrates well with the DE. If not, you can use it, but I do not know if it will be comfortable. Never tried. Of course, you can install the xfce4 meta package, which have hard dependencies on all major XFCE4 components. But the truth is that XFCE4 package is not needed. When I was using it, I was accustomed to say to aptitude to select it, and then in preview, I removed it, and set the dependencies it have as manually installed. I always thought it should have no dependencies, only recommendations, but never reported that idea. There is also xfce4-core, for minimal meta-package shipping only basic components. I perfectly remember that there was a package named xfce-notify or alike. In XFCE, there is also a configuration system that allow you to change their appearance quite easily. However I can not describe how to change the config, because: _ I did not used xfce since so many time _ my menus were in French _ how to describe an icon when themes can be customized? How to describe how to clic? In French, I use a neologism to describe the kind of softwares that MS have so much knowledge to do: cliquodrom (from clic and velodrome ;)). They are easy to use mouse-only softwares, but hard to teach the use with just text, because their appearance can change depending on so many parameters. And I do not like them, of course :D XFCE have a central library set, so there are common dependencies. But LXDE avoid them, that's their leitmotiv and it explains why I am still using some of their softwares, instead of DE independent alternatives (leafpad and lxterminal to be exact). Maybe in the past, there were more choices. But I wonder how many softwares sharing the same goal, the same way to think there were? And how many dev/project? And now? Reducing the choice sometimes allow people to choose better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/61f98e9afed445f8f5bc9e4389bc5e84.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
