On Sun, September 9, 2012 8:23 am, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Sonntag, 9. September 2012 schrieb Camaleón: >> > I quite much agree to the installation stuff. >> > >> > >> > >> > I put Linux on the laptop I bought with my father for my father. He >> > used Firefox and Thunderbird and some crappy photo management >> > software. >> > >> > >> > >> > I put KDE on it plus Iceweasel, Icedove and Digikam as applications. >> > And each a button for internet on and off (this Debian Lenny >> > installation is using HFC USB based ISDN adapter for accessing the >> > net, thats why I am reluctant to upgrade to Squeeze or Wheezy, cause >> > I have the gut feeling that ISDN on Squeeze or Wheezy is quite some >> > fiddling again.) >> > >> > >> > >> > Well that just works. >> >> (...) >> >> And you know why that works? Because "you" wanted it worked, not your >> father. Now imagine your father has to do all the job by his own, do >> you still think he is going to maintain his current setup? I really >> doubt it. >> >> Now imagine a different scenario. Your father buys a computer with a >> Linux distribution on it which is already preconfigured. At a first >> glance it seems to be a good idea: the computer is cheaper because >> there's no OS licence that needs to be tributed and the guy of the >> shop instructs your father about the advandatges of the Linux systems >> -less viruses and malwares, rock-solid...). > > Well may father came with an outdated Ubuntu box he bought in some > discounter and asked me to install it ;). > > So it wasn´t exactly my wish to have this working. But then maybe my > statement that I won´t fix any Windows if it gets broke may have > contributed to his decision. But I think he wanted to have a glimpse at > what his son is working with all the time and thats this has been more of > a reason for his decision. > >> Back to home, your uncle sends a "beautiful" PowerPoint file by e-mail >> to your father and despite LibreOffice can open the file with no >> problem your father ears no sound. And here is where the real linux >> hist[eo]ry starts... at this point, unless your father either a) shows >> a real interest in solving the problem by himself or b) you or someone >> else is near to solve the problem, 99% of the time your fictional >> father will simply jump to Windows. > > So ignorance of real open standards, well standards that mean to be > interoperable from the beginning, harms the adoption of Linux? Ignorance > of a standard that has been formalized way before Microsoft paid their > standard through the comitee members. Ignorance of a standard thats way > easier to grasp cause its documentation is to the point… > > What a pity. > > But then I - as a corner case or not - don´t give much about being able to > view a power point presentation. > > If I cared about being a corner case I wouldn´t be where I am now. > > If 99% of all people decide to give up their freedom when using their > computers I do not need to follow. Just as if 99% of all people decide to > jump through a window and get themselves hurt I do not have to follow. > > But unless you plan to have world domination of Debian on all desktops I > see no point in going on with this discussion… > > Actually everyone is free to use the operating of their choice or non- > choice so either people advertise Linux to other people by showing it off > and probably helping installing it to change the situation or not. > > I do think that having Windows is often the result of a non-choice of the > operating system. Just like having Android on a smartphone btw. > > If you learnt Linux in the school and get bought a Linux machine by your > parents and enough others have a similar socialisation how do you care > about any Powerpoint file at all? > > Frankly, I do not care anymore. I say openly how I see Linux. I show it > off > to interested people. And if someone is not interested, I let them have > their way. > > But if someone needs help and has Windows I am quite reluctant about it > meanwhile. Cause I have better things to do with my life than wasting > countless hours on fixing Windows systems. Been there, done that and found > other stuff to be more joy for me. > > If people insist of running around an advertising pillar with an > advertisement of how good Windows is without looking in another direction > than where the pillar is that is perfectly their choice. > > And I do not get what their choice has to do with Debian. Frankly, is non- > adoption of Debian by any amount of those users something that makes your > life more miserable? > > If not, why do you care? > > When I learnt something from life it is that I can ever only change > myself. I cannot change anyone else. So why even bother trying to do this? > > If you feel your mission is to raise adoption of Linux on the desktop, > then by all means follow all ways that you see fit that invite people to > try it out. Sell pre-installed computers, give computer courses, whatever. > > If not, then just be happy with what you have. > > Its a lot with Debian GNU/BSD/Linux in my eyes. Really a lot. > > My life is not more miserable due to having just a user base of 1,5% with > Linux on desktops. Well maybe sometimes I wish some more good games. But > when I look at the PC game market I am quite sure I´d ditch 99% of those > games for unnecessary violence that just ends in it self and is displayed > in a unnecessarily explicit way. I want story, I want characters that > evolve, I want colors, I want a beautiful world. So I am not interested in > all that end-of-the-time, pessimistic and violent ego shooter shit that > people tend to call games. > > Even if 99% of all gamers want to play these? Why do I have to follow > their way if it is not mine? > > I do think open source application put a lot effort in making Linux and > applications running on it more accessible to the casual user. I am > grateful for that. Quite some applications got better this way. Not all of > them, but quite some. Apart from that… if someone wants to try it out, > fine. If not, why bother except for the cases where I receive concrete and > constructive feedback on how to improve the situation and I want to put > myself in a position to do something about it?
My problem has been, for quite some number of years now, of not just considering my own requirements. I tend to think a little more (w)holistically, because if the context isn't advanced, any appearance of personal advancement is no more than illusion. Regards, Weaver. -- "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . ." -- Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/0800d08f3f346bbbdd62b403081f96cd.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net
