On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>wrote:
> all in all your imagination is nonsense. > - Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. It is from here http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct > I don't know PCLinuxOS, but I'm sure it won't work OOTB for all needs. > If you don't know, then how are you sure? Amazing! > People might read the list's archive, so please don't write such > careless generalisations. > http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct > For CNC and professional music you might choose another Linux distro, than > for office and other needs. > That's really a personal choice. Thx. > FWIW I don't like Suse, but some aspects of Suse are better than e.g. > for Debian, while my favourite is Debian. Suse doesn't change the owner > very often, just one time Suse was bought by Novell. > I agree that Debian is one of the nicest distros available. > I might be mistaken, but that's what I experienced. > Not mistaken when you talk of Debian but mistaken when you talk of other distros. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>wrote: > Take care about hardware issues, especially about drivers that can't be > redistributed regarding to GPL issues. > I do consider it a factor! On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: PCLinuxOS is a very good distro for someone switching > from Windows, as the OP is. And the reply which occasioned your > rudeness said that PCLinux is usually a good distro for a beginner, > and I entirely agree. > > You say that you have not read the thread, so how come you are in a > position to comment on someone's reply, especially to comment so > rudely. > They don't read 'code of conduct'. > If, in addition to not reading the thread, you have never seen > PCLinuxOS, how on earth can you consider yourself qualified to have an > opinion? > People forget all this factors, which are correct and true. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>wrote: A good Linux distro for beginners is a Linux distro with a huge > community, IOW a distro that is used by many people and that comes with > lot's of up to date forums, wikis etc., hence a good distro for > beginners would be one of the major distros, any exotic distro in most > cases isn't useful for a beginner. > There are some exceptions, I e.g. already mentioned CNC and DAW. > So you know that PCLinuxOS is not having a huge community but you said you don't know about it! Is this a contradiction? > If a distro mimicries Windows it's completely bad for beginners, because > this always leads to misunderstandings. Linux isn't Windows. Linux isn't > a C64. Linux isn't ... Linux is Linux. > Correct, but Windows users all of a sudden cannot jump into the great ocean of Linux, they first need something to which they can sustain and then finally take the more heights. Example: If you know swimming a little, can you directly be thrown into the ocean to swim? Nope because you can get immersed in it but before actually swimming in the ocean you do need a training to swim first in ponds, rivers, etc.... I won't sound rude. IMO a beginner should use Ubuntu, Suse, Debian, > Fedora ... those major distros are made for averaged users and they > usually work OOTB. Especially Ubuntu has ggot a huge community with > lot's of up to date wikis, forums etc.. > Nice and correct but I don't know why do you hate with openSUSE, like Debian, their community too is one of the nicest known in open source OS world AND people acknowledges this fact. > IMO it isn't wise to recommend an exotic distro. > I always have the impression that Debian as well as openSUSE are very good but that's doesn't meant that I can say anything of other distros. We must maintain humanity and code of conduct. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>wrote: > Too funny, for distrowatch it's a major distro, OTOH if you google for > troubleshooting, e.g. regarding to a bug for an app, without using the > distro's name for the search, you'll get hits for other distros, but > PCLinuxOS > Might be it is new and the people handling it would take sometime. But that doesn't mean to say low of other distros! Did you tried PCLinuxOS? I tried and it is radically simple and awesome. And still having things for other people (who are not beginners). It is in the list of major distros at Distrowatch.com. What more you want? On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Doug <dmcgarr...@optonline.net> wrote: > I wouldn't call PCLinuxOS an exotic distro. Until recently it was number 5 > on the most used Linux distro list. > (I don't know where it is today.) It has a Forum that usually answers > questions within hours. It works out of > the box, with very minor tweaks--you probably want to unlock the > "widgits"--icons to most people--so that you > can move them around to suit yourself and add icons from the menu. If it > looks quite a bit like Windows, > that makes a lot of sense. Windows has developed from the original Xerox > research over about 30 years, > and everybody is used to it. (That may not be true for Win 8, but W8 is > not here yet.) Just because some > distros have gone bonkers with their screen displays doesn't mean > everybody--or even anybody--has to like > that nonsense. With the exception of the above writer, I haven't really > heard anyone badmouth pclos. It's > a great distro, and I've been using it for about 18 months now, having run > from SuSE in 2010 after a batch > of problems with it. I use the KDE version. > I do agree. > I have looked at a number of other distros, including Debian--I don't like > their politics; Ubuntu--there's one > distro that believes that just because it's possible to do something, it > should be done--also the devs seem > to have done their absolute best (or worst) to make sure there's nothing > reminiscent of Windows about it; > Kubuntu--when I looked at it about a year ago, I puked, don't know what it > looks like now, and don't care; > Mint--very nice when I last looked; Zorin--also nice, and had the > capability of looking very much like XP, if > you wanted it to, or like Gnome 2. Most distros now have several desktops > available: you may have to > choose *before* you download the live version which one you want--or > perhaps not, depending. > > Advice: get a live CD or DVD and try whatever you're thinking about using. > See if you can add things that > you want and have them work: *your* printer(s), your scanner, sound, both > in headphones and on speakers, > video--make sure that both sound and video work from whatever sources you > normally use, including CDs, > MP3s, YouTube, etc. Sound and video seem to be the weak points in some > distros, so look carefully at > them. Look especially for software that lets you run "protected" DVDs, if > you're going to want to view them. > (When I dumped SuSE, one of the reasons was that I never got a peep out of > the speakers, no matter > what the source, and all the answers on their list didn't help. That may > be fixed, by now, but I'm not going > back.) If you like to have the familiar icons of some common programs, see > if the distro will let you do that, > or only give you clones or imitations. Make sure that the pdf reader > works, and that it prints properly to > your standard size paper. You should be able to install Adobe Reader--some > distros don't have it in the repo, > and it may be a hassle to get it, if you want it. (There are FOSS readers; > I like what I know works.) > > I'm sure others will have some other recommendations, and some will quarrel > with what I have said above. > To each his own, as the song says. There are certainly some folks who like > what I hate, and some who hate > what I like, and I have no gripe with that. Just so long as I don't have > to use theirs, I wouldn't force them to > use mine. > I do agree with you and give Live CDs a trial. Thanks. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>wrote: I experienced the best howtos for Ubuntu and Arch. I never used Arch, > but the howtos helped me a lot. My recommendation for beginners would be > Ubuntu, while I don't know Unity or GNOME3. For good reasons I switched > from Ubuntu back to Debian, but for beginners Ubuntu has some > advantages. > Oh I see, Ubuntu could be a great choice because it also recognizes all the hardware without a problem.
