On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Scott Ferguson <prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, D G Teed <donald.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> It remains an urban legend as long as there is no proof offered otherwise. > > No - *that's* piss poor logic - the sort epoused by TV talk show hosts > and radio shock jocks. > > I use Newtonian physics around the farm - does that disprove Quantum > physics? > > Never confuse a neat sounding argument with evidence - it just makes you > sound like a pompous moron (which you're not). But that's the difference > between something untested that confirms beliefs, and a fact. > > I thought the sophists were long dead... :-)
You like listening to yourself type. None of this debates the issue. > >> I'm not saying it is true or not, but just that there has never been > >> a demonstration�made public of getting data off drives after > >> a complete zeroing. > > > > That you know of. I suspect I read much more of this literature than you > > do. > > Gutmman (et al) > > > > >> �So it remains an unknown, and never demonstrated. > > Unknow to D. G. Teed *may* simply mean "not shown on Discovery Channel" > - "never demonstrated"... to who? > > The plural of anecdote is not evidence. Does that mean anything in this context or were you talking to someone else on the phone at the time? > For non-military/investigative (sensitive) evidence - how do you think > data *has* (and is still) been recovered from fragments of shattered, > partially melted, hard drive platters from September 11? Yes - much of > the procedures are classified or considered proprietary secrets - but > some data reconstruction algorithims, and 3D magnetic field > visualization papers, have been published... could be that current > technology is based on them. So you are saying just before the towers fell, someone initiated a drive zeroing application? Amazing. Do try to compare apples to apples. You like to hear the name Gutmann. Here is an article which questions his paper of 1996 and references him many times: http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html I think it is healthy to have a dose of skepticism with these things. > Agreed - the lack of convincing evidence on-hand (sufficient to overcome > dogmatic belief) is *not* evidence to support a belief - it's the "risk > management" of morons. If you read over what I actually wrote again, carefully, with full reading and comprehension bits enabled, you'll see I do recommend drive destruction if the data on them is military grade or equivalent, to counter the case that a future technology is developed. For those of us who don't expect NSA or equivalent to spend a few million in efforts to read a discarded drive, a simple zeroing will do. It has been demonstrated that a zeroed drive cannot be recovered at the typical data recovery service business. There is also this outstanding challenge for someone to recover data from a zeroed drive: http://hostjury.com/blog/view/195/the-great-zero-challenge-remains-unaccepted Kinda like the reward put up for psychics to prove themselves. The only caveat which could be getting in the way is to not disassemble. This would get in the way of using a more powerful read head or other methods, but at the same time this does demonstrate if it is simply a personal drive you want to zero and sell on eBay, zeroing will cover the situation well enough. The skeptics here await links illustrating data has been accurately recovered from zeroed drives. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAMNR8_M9RfRD5_jmpKjkDOscEBzT58FOUBL=no1qrxu5+al...@mail.gmail.com
