On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 07:12 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-08-04 06:14, Siggy Brentrup wrote: > >On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 18:13 +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote: > >>On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 09:28 -0500, Chris wrote: > > > >>I am concerned about X's dependency on HAL. Years ago I was using my > >>SGI Indy with a superb SGI Monitor and US keyboard (brackets and > >>braces at the right places) to have up to 6 xterms onscreen; the > >>machine is too slow to do real work. I didn't yet recover far enough > >>to know for certain, but planning to run current sid on that box you > >>might hear my curses over the ocean when I find out I have to run HAL > >>or use ancient X. > > > >In case you didn't hear me: > >ARRRRRGS THIS @#%$ยง*@ XORG STUFF NOT ONLY DEPENDS ON HAL, moreover > >HAL forces me to install usbutils. USB 1.0 specs were released > >one year after this fine box was built! > > Sadly, at some point, software "outgrows" really old h/w, no matter > how good the box. > > >>>To me, the freedom is still there. I now have the freedom of either > >>>removing it or leaving it. The choice is still mine. > >>We'll see, my choices are: current X, no HAL. > > > >Where's my freedom, I'm stuck with ancient X if I don't want to > >run otherwise unused SW? > > > > The GPL gives you freedom to view, modify and use the source code.
You state the obvious.
> Your claim to a "freedom", though, is a misplaced sense of
> entitlement to other people's volunteer efforts.
>
> IOW, by using the binaries that are a product of other people's
> labor, you forfeit your "right" to complain about them doing what
> they want to do in their spare time.
With this argument we might as well make dash essential instead of
bash and no I don't want to begin yet another discussion of that
seemingly unsolvable issue.
> >going to pin X to stable <grrrrr>.
>
> Rather, pin it to Lenny, so you don't bump to Squeeze when it goes
> stable.
*LOL* At least half a year before this happens (squezze not even
freezed) I'll definitely be in a situation where I am able to rebuild
X for mips from source w/o hal dependency.
Thanks for listening
Siggy
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