Which mail list should I post this topic? I mean debian mail list, I don't want someone throw me a solution, but saying, for Redhad. :)
I really hope I can program in machine code, then I don't need any assembler nor compiler, is there any good tool to help me with that? I guess I need a table about machine code and its meaning, and a detail description of executable file format, or a template for that is good. Just a joke, but it's true. :) On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:45 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 06/25/08 02:05, Magnus Therning wrote: > >> Star Liu wrote: > > [snip] > >> > >>> i made some thinking on nasm, yasm and gas, finally i think it's a > >>> very bad thing for nasm and yasm to come out, for they don't provide > >>> much more improvement for gas, just some non-important syntax change, > > > > You are entitled to your opinion, of course. > > > > http://nasm.sourceforge.net/doc/nasmdoc1.html > > gas is free, and ports over to DOS and Unix, but it's not very > > good, since it's designed to be a back end to gcc, which always > > feeds it correct code. So its error checking is minimal. > > > > [snip] > >>> i think it's necessory for a real software developer to know assembly > >>> in order to know clearly about how software works, i have been a > >>> microsoft platform software developer for years, and tired to be a > >>> slave of ms, > > > > That's good! > > > >>> so i jump to assembly now. :) > > > > But that doesn't make any sense. It seems that you think that there > > are no c++ compilers in the FOSS world. > > > >> Personally I don't consider intimate knowledge of assembly language > >> extremely important in order to be a good programmer. > > > > Magnus, you're a smart guy, but I've got to strongly disagree with you. > > > >> It does aid in > >> understanding how a computer works, on a very basic level, > > > > Intimate knowledge of your CPU reminds you lets you debug your code > > when you think "it" iss doing something squirrelly. > > > >> but I'm not > >> sure I'd suggest anyone do that on a CPU used in a modern desktop > >> computer. > > > > Maybe not a GUI app, but I'm sure the mplayer people would > > appreciate AMD64 assembly code for some of the stuff that is coded > > in tight x86-32 assembler, but C for other targer CPUs. > > > > - -- > > Ron Johnson, Jr. > > Jefferson LA USA > > > > "Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New > > York is doomed." > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAkhiMjAACgkQS9HxQb37Xme8fACfRA2P6rPR6O1/K5iJGbuvQ1U7 > > rk4AoKvwlwO3JdzfS3DyKg9MkjvEqfwE > > =oZSI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Hate to keep the thread going on what is arguably the wrong list, but I > always demanded of any programmer I hired that they know at least one > assembler (I didn't much care which one but the knowledge gained from > "twiddling" the bits and registers is invaluable) and at least one high > level structured language (e.g. C). > Larry > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- ----------------------------------------- Buddha Debian GNU/Linux MSN/aMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------------------
