s. keeling wrote:
M. Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 Personally, I had already decided that, from now on, any off topic
 rambling by the people we have already mentioned will cause an
 immediate reply, both on the list and to the moderators, requesting,
 with links to this thread, that they are banned from posting.

Oh, please, let's not start mailbombing the listmasters.  There's a
problem.  Let's fix it amongst ourselves, and not go running home and
complaining to mommy.
Nicely put.

---- per someone's suggestion to actually look at the archive: ------

So far (as of 7:40am EST, 5/20), a quick look at the May list archives reveals:

- 3002 messages: mostly on hardcore technical support topics

- the signature quotation of a question on "A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?" yielded 1 real answer and about 20 OT comments on the quotation

- a one line message, labelled "OT - Dilbert on the ethics of e-mail etiquette," containing a 1-line link to cartoon, resulted in 49 replies of various sorts

- a 2-liner titled "[OT] The record industry, RIAA and US law" - again, a hyperlink - led to 122 responses

- a topic labelled "Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)" - asking a legitimate question seeking backup for convincing people not to email MSWord documents in a college setting - led to 90 replies, about half on topic and about half labeled OT

- and now we have 115 comments on "rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user"

by my calculation: 351 (12%) of 3002 messages are OT
- roughly 1/3 of those are comments about how inappropriate the OT comments are (probably more, since there are a lot of meta-comments inside the original OT discussions)

if we look at threads: we're talking about 4 threads, out of roughly 500

if we look at authors, almost all those who contributed to the OT conversations (and the meta conversations) also participated in discussions of substantive, debian-related matters - though... one of the most ardent complainers (9 posts on "rampant oftopic.." posted only 1 on-topic message to the list in May)

seems like a pretty good S/N ratio to me - though I'd be hard pressed to actually do the calcuation, given that S/N is defined in terms of signal power vs. background noise

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And, as a couple of us have already put it:

Klein Moebius wrote:
* Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-19 17:55:34 -0400]:

Enough already, or does somebody have to mention Nazis?

Nazis.  There, I did it...
So... Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler... enough already.


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