On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 02:34:17PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 07:14:02PM +0800, Tim Yang wrote: > >> I agree it could be good for secuirity, but it was > >> not implemented before. > >> Every distribution I used such as Fedora, SUSE, > >> and even sarge installed ssh server > >> by default and people using the service never have > >> to think about how to do when the service vanished. > >> Now it is changed so there might be some consequences > >> needing attention. > >> > >> Tim Yang > >> > > > > Well it's easy to install it anyway. Takes 10 seconds. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/pobegA > >> aptitute search ssh | grep server > > p openssh-server - Secure shell server > > v ssh-server > > > > > > slight spelling mistake there. You mean aptitude. > > apt-cache search server yields a bit more, actually far too much to list > here and still have a readable message but even grepping it yields more > than that: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search server | grep ssh > aolserver4-nssha1 - AOLserver4 module: performs SHA1 hashes > denyhosts - an utility to help sys admins thwart ssh hackers > jta - Java telnet/ssh applet > libganymed-ssh2-java - pure Java implementation of the SSH-2 protocol > openssh-server - Secure shell server, an rshd replacement > scanssh - get SSH server versions for an entire network > ssh - Secure shell client and server (transitional package) > ssh-krb5 - Secure shell client and server (transitional package) > sshfs - filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol > sshm - A command-line tool to manage your ssh servers > > Needless to say, it isn't hard to find, but one needs to know to look > for it. I agree that it shouldn't be installed by default, and people > who try to ssh to the machine will figure out quickly that there is no > ssh server present, and can easily remedy the situation, but the > administrator must have some knowledge of how to search for package. > > I suppose one should have some idea how to network administration before > setting up a network server in the first place, and it does help to read > the documentation. > > Joe
I disagree about people who don't know what they are doing. I like Debian for many reasons. An important reason is that I can try to do things that I don't know how to do, and learn. Sometimes when I try, I also complain when my ignorance leads me to believe that something in Debian should different. Sometimes, I have to argue a bit before I realize the error of my argument. Tim should realize that installing ssh server without proper configuration is not something that any distribution should ever do. The Debian alternative is, perhaps, more difficult than he would like, but I expect he will learn to live with an alternative. Whether the current Debian alternative is the best, is a reasonable topic of discussion. I can't contribute to that discussion. But I have confidence that whatever changes are made, they will not be the result of unthinking copying of the way some other distribution deals with the issue. Again, thanks to all the people on this list who have treated me politely when I have made similar complaints. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
