On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:05:17 +0100 Michael Dominok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 07.03.2007, 18:47 +0000 schrieb Liam O'Toole: > > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:49:15 +0100 > > Michael Dominok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Am Mittwoch, den 07.03.2007, 13:44 +0000 schrieb Liam O'Toole: > > > > The Nazis had no long-term interest in Amsterdam, Paris, etc. > > > > > > Huh? Interesting. What makes you think that? > > > Of course were they interested in (exploiting) these countries. > > > Not as farmland, as in the east. Do you really think that the > > > Nazis would have "released" those countries somewhen "after the > > > war"? Why should they let go of some of the richest > > > economies/countries which they succesfully exploited with the > > > help of well established administrations of collaborators? The > > > "best" western, northern and southern Europe + parts of Africa > > > could expect was some kind of vichyazation. > > > > We weren't discussing political and economic designs, but linguistic > > and cultural ones. > > Yes. Just to remind you how we got here: > You claimed that: > > Am Mittwoch, den 07.03.2007, 09:43 +0000 schrieb Liam O'Toole: > > Not at all. Both the Nazis and the Soviets went to great lengths to > > Germanise or Russify the areas they acquired or inherited, > > brutally suppressing other languages and cultures in the process. > > I tried to point out that - in Nazi-Germanys case - this was true for > the east (for parts of it) but completely untrue for the west, north > and south. > > Michael Dominok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, concerning nazi-germany 3/4 of your statement is wrong. > > To which you didn't object but tried to play down the importance of > the "areas they acquired" in the north, west and south. > > Am Mittwoch, den 07.03.2007, 13:44 +0000 schrieb Liam O'Toole: > > The Nazis had no long-term interest in Amsterdam, Paris, etc. > > A rather, aehm, daring theory. I dropped some clues to why Amsterdam, > Paris, etc. _were_ of interest to the Nazis and now you're accusing me > of avoiding/losing the topic _you_ tossed the focus off? > I hope your OT-skill can improve... There is nothing OT about my contributions. This started as a question of whether totalitarian regimes can tolerate diversity. I have consistently been arguing that they can not. > > > If you have to rank the "mad assholes" of human history i doubt > > > that Franko would make it anywhere near Hitler and Stalin. Not > > > that this makes him any less disgusting but looking a the means > > > the Nazis and Soviets used to achieve their goals Franko just > > > didn't "play in the same league". > > > > Yes, in terms of raw numbers of people murdered or terrorised, > > Franco wasn't in the same league as the gruesome twosome. But he > > was just as determined in his efforts to establish linguistic and > > cultural supremacy. > > Well, i'm determined in winning the lotteries. For years. Guess how > many hits my determination got me? > Determination without "means" is worth nothing. So is your comparison. Franco was remarkably successfully at establishing a Castilian hegemony. Are you saying he should have tried harder? > > > > That's not my point. I mentioned Auschwitz-Birkenau because it's > > > the "official" name of the camp. If the Nazis had decided to use > > > an other naming scheme the camp would maybe be known as > > > KZ-IG-Farben or KZAmF. > > > > > > The camp itself was certainly aimed at exterminating some > > > languages and cultures - its name not. > > > > On the contrary, it's name and purpose were inextricably linked. > > I'm sorry, but this is utter and stupid nonsense. The Camps were named > after the cities/villages they were next to. This was not to > "propagate" the germanized names of the citiesat (When or how should > this have happened, anyway? The Nazis didn't go around "bragging" > with their Conzentration Camps) to have some 8th or 123th grade > effect on the local culture. > And what about the Camps in Germany, named after their neighboring > german Towns? Were their "name[s] and purpose[s]" also "inextricably > linked" ? It is entirely consistent with my case that the worst excesses of the period will be denoted by a German name for a Polish location. > > Unless you manage to annoy me with some new twists this is EOT for me. You seem to be easily annoyed. Bye bye. -- Liam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
