On 9 Apr 2006, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Sunday 09 April 2006 16:44, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> ...
>> I put some code out there. I make things work better for my
>> packages -- and you, my friend, are reaping the benefits of that
>> labour. Calling me names just helps me place you in my own
>> estimation.
>>
>> manoj
>
> I cut the rest of the post because this typifies the heart of all
> you attempt to say. You are right, there's your way and the wrong
> way, and that's all there is to it -- at least as you put it. I
> really don't care what your estimation of me is, and can't see why I
> should, or why what you think of me should make any difference in my
> life. Yet you seem to feel you have some kind of status that makes
> your opinion of others matter to them.
No. I don't care a shit what you think of me, and I am sure
that sentiment is reciprocated. I also don't want you to do
anything at all for me -- and vice versa, right?
> The only name I used at all was mercenary. It is not a good term,
> nor is it a bad term.
Oh, my. You don't seem to know what that woird means, do you?
Mercenary \Mer"ce*na*ry\, n.; pl. {Mercenaries}.
One who is hired; a hireling; especially, a soldier hired
into foreign service. --Milman.
[1913 Webster]
So, if I am a mere mercenary, working on Debian, who exactly
is it who hired me? Where are the doubloons?
Mercenary \Mer"ce*na*ry\, a. [OE. mercenarie, F. mercenaire, fr.
L. mercenarius, fr. merces wages, reward. See {Mercy}.]
Hmm, reward.
1. Acting for reward; serving for pay; paid; hired; hireling;
venal; as, mercenary soldiers.
[1913 Webster]
2. Hence: Moved primarily by considerations of pay or profit;
greedy of gain; sordid; selfish. --Shak.
Syn: See {Venal}.
Sordid, Benal and selfish are not bad words?
3: profit oriented; "a commercial book"; "preached a mercantile
and militant patriotism"- John Buchan; "a mercenary
enterprise"; "a moneymaking business" [syn: {mercantile},
Profit oriented.
Right, so the primary senses in which the word is used seems
to have missed the way you used it; apparently you go about insulting
people by not knowing the meanings of the words you use.
> Yet you want to say I'm calling you names,
Me, and the dictionary.
> even though you use sarcasm to denigrate any points I make that you
> may disagree with
You have made points? I must have missed them amidst all the
whinging. If you try again, I swear I'll try to pay attention.
> and spend a lot of time touting your status as a Debian maintainer.
I am not using my status of maintainer as a shield (though a
wealth of insecurity seems to lie under that notion). I am merely
saying that I am doing work on stuff. I am putting the fruits of
that labor out there. I listen to feedback, but I only work on stuff
that is fun.
If you think that you have some right to demand I work
differently, I ask: what do you think gives you that?
> Where others have different points of view, you insult rather than
If these other points of view are mostly critisizing work I
and others have done, and demanding we change our ways of working, I
am not sure I need be paying much attention to them.
> discuss and use your status as a maintainer as a shield to hide
> behind against the potential of you possibly being wrong.
If you get over your inferiority complex of not "being a
developer", we could potentially move this forward. The idea is not
about being a DD or not, the idea is that the people doing unpaid
work kinda tend to be their own boss. You'd be bettor off with honey
rather than vinegar.
> If you ever want to discuss this or other issues on facts, with
> people that have a point of view BUT ALSO recognize others might
> have a point, I'd be interested in it, but it is clear, as we used
> to say when I worked in residential treatment, that you are too busy
> shouting from the mountain top about how right you are to dare to be
> quiet long enough to hear another point of view, for fear it might
> have some truth to it.
You certainly have a right to an opinion. Everyone does. But
how are just opinions relevant to this discussion? What exactly is
it that you think we could be discussing, anyway?
manoj
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