Paul E Condon wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:48:49AM -0500, Chinook wrote:
I've got /netatalk/ installed and minimally configured on Debian and set
all the appropriate switches in OS X, and I can look at and move files
back and forth from either box if I initiate (mount) the server on my
Mac. I have not yet installed Howl (mdnsresponder) on the Debian box
as I'm not sure of the benefit.
There are, of course, a couple problems and I'm reluctant to screw
with things on Debian as I've already messed it up enough once to
have to rollback (restored backup).
1) I've got a Belkin 4 port router and my Mac's host name shows up in
its configuration, but the Debian box host name there is blank (the url
is correct). Debian is connected to it and can access the internet and
my Mac (if I connect from my Mac). However when I configured Debian it
recognized the domain name (the router) and has in the hostname file the
proper host name, but that host name does not show up when looking at
the router configuration (which I access from my Mac with Safari or my
Debian box with Firefox). The proper url (192.168...) does but the host
name is blank.
When I connect to (mount) the Debian box as an AppleTalk server from my
Mac, I used the url. Does anyone know why the Debian host name is not
getting through to the router?
2) Also, even though I can get the connection up (initiate it) from my
Mac, I can't seem to figure out how to get it up (initiate it) from my
Debian box. The Gnome network control only shows a stupid windoze net
icon (gotta get rid of that). With the net tools on Debian I can ping
and trace the Mac url (192.168...) so it seems to know where to find the
Mac. I'm missing something obvious here %-\
I have not played with the separate /vsftp/ thingy yet.
Any suggestions, off color comments :-) whatever are appreciated. I'm
gonna sleep on it.
Thanks,
Lee C
"*nix is user friendly - it's just picky about it's friends."
On 2): Just as you needed to load netatalk to get your Linux box to act
as a server for Macs, you also need to load some sort of server software
from Apple onto your Mac to get it to act as a server. But in the case
of the Mac it is a more difficult problem. You also have to load onto
your Linux box software that makes it behave as an Appletalk/Appleshare
*client*. I'm not aware of such being available, but you might find it
by googling. It could very well exist, I have never felt the need to
look, because I have always viewed the Mac as a quintessentially client
machine.
I'm happy with the Linux box being the AppleTalk server - I just wonder
why from the server I can't initiate a connection to the Mac client
while I can the other direction.
I can easily ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the Linux box where I have cli
access via Darwin (Apple Unix) in the logon account, so the minimum
functionality is there. That's about where it stops though - e.g. the
Debian package hsftp (which is just a convienience layer on ssh) can't
get through and the g4l I previously mentioned is a real bust so I can
forget about both of them.
Additionally, although petty, the blank Linux box hostname in the router
configuration table seems to me an indication of the lack of overall
completeness. I tried the dhcp3 suggestion and like the other reply
found it didn't help (the suggestion was appreciated).
I'm aware that some of the issues I have could be as simple as say a
port status, but I can't seem to find the solution.
As far as your suggestion below, my expertise lies more in engineering
modeling and graphics software development than in networking. We all
have our strong suits where we can be the most productive.
On 1): There are a lot of loose ends in the implementation of
Mac/Linux connection. You have already discovered the core
functionality and got it working. It appears that no one has actually
progressed beyond that to get the whole thing cleaned up in all its
aspects. Host names failing to appear in router status tables is not
the sort of thing that seems to be an interesting problem to the
people to have the skills to solve it. If you are looking for a
project where you can do original work and that gets you into the guts
of both Linux and Mac, this may be it.
To all - Read all the way through before getting your hackles up :-)
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Actually using Linux alongside Mac OS X gives one a sense of what Linux
could be without being under the iron fist of a proprietary commercial
organization. Though from a user perspective I'm appalled at the
overreaching control Apple exerts, they have produced a heck of a
product from the superior GUI of OS X on top of the very intuitive
Darwin Unix and the most complete and organized development environment
(ObjC/Cocoa and Xtools) I've ever worked with. Linux could be even
better, but it will take a paradigm shift.
Being over simplistic, I've found in my SE career (beginning in the
early 60s) that there are three stages to technological change and
more specifically to software evolution. The cycle begins with the
innovators/geeks/ whatever :-) and progresses through the practical SE
developers until the suits get control and milk it to death (i.e. ending
evolution).
Linux and open source are a radical approach that may just succeed, but
it's got to move beyond the innovators without falling under the
complete control of the suits. As an example of unproductive tangents
you-all might recall the recent discussion about a beginners list.
Linux needs to enlarge its community and broaden its appeal, not
segregate those that follow to a lesser status. Doing so is taking a
narrow-minded and selfish approach (no disrespect intended). I
understand how some of you feel - I've helped some on the Apple forums
and get annoyed at the kiddies (whatever their age). One berated me
because I told him that he can't delete content in the /System folder to
make more room for his iTunes, and another because his Mac was not as
simple to use as his iPod.
I guess that what I'm saying is that the Linux community has to become
more responsible and professional (with all due respect to all the hard
work that has been done) in the same way (ideally) that we mature from
hormone machines to parents.
So ends the sermon of the day :-)
Lee C
"Life is judged with all the blindness of life itself." -- George Santayana
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