On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Daniel Webb wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 02:16:29AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
>
> One nit to pick here:
>
> > - find | tar | gpg meeets all of my requirements for most all possible
> > potential disasters and recovery
>
> As I describe on my backup page, that's a terrible idea. One corrupt bit and
> you lose *huge* amounts of data.
if you don't trust find|tar ... you have major problems with the machine's
reliability and these brand new commands nobody used for 30 yrs :-)
using any other "favorite backup programs" will suffer the same fate of
losing "huge amounts of data", and more importantly, is there a way to
recover the lost data and/or alternative apps that doesn't have the "bug"
or just simply fix the hardware ..
- there is nothing sw can to fix flaky hardware .... and unreliable
hardware cannot be used as a means to invalidate "methodology"
- good methdologies would already acocunt for the various hundred
ways that it can fail in the first place
> I'm open to hearing any advantages of tar over afio for backups, because I
> don't know of even one.
:-)
i will bet any amount of $$$ and data .. that find | tar is better than
the average "backup specific apps" that meets all my backup requirements
my backup specs
- it will NOT corrupt my prev backups, say going back 5 years
- it is fast and is live with the simple change of an ip#
and untar as needed depending on the purpose of that tar files
- confidential data is encrypted and root read only
- i can restore to any random data and random time at any
time somebody says "prove that it can be done"
- it can support 20Terabytes of data in a 4U chassis ... and
obvisously, that data is also backed up ... i keep at leaast
3 copies of everything in various state of readiness
- it doesn't costs more than the bare costs of the hw in both
labor to write or test the "program" and methodology
- it must survive a failure of 2 successive full backups
( ie have a work around backup failures )
- bare metal restore should be done in a matter of few minutes
except that "restore" of 10TB sized data will take a FEW seconds
- backup system must also be flexible and extensible and
can support 180degree methodology changes
( managers are known to change directions ya know and budgets
come and go randomly )
- and it obviously has to be searchable
- some people like gui's... but i think gui's is for windoze kids
- more detailed specs... and semi endless list of major points
- find | tar meets all those specs above ...
and trivially scriptable and anybody can maintain it since
it's not wirtten in martian code, even if it might loook like it
after a few dozen people add their $0.01 to it
c ya
alvin
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