Paul, you must make sure that X is not running on an other console if you want to use startx.
the suggestion to run startx is very reasonable: this way you will see where it stops. if you don't manage to stop gdm/kdm/xdm, you can do two things I believe: switch to an other runlevel (you do this by logging in as root and giving the command 'init <runlevel>'). on my system runlevel 2 does not contain X. once I've entered runlevel 2 I only see the text consoles and I can give startx. an other thing you could do is looking into your /var/log files. try asking this: ls -lrt /var/log/X*log the last line is also the newest file. probably you can find some useful info inside it. ciao, Mario -- ... hinc sequitur, unamquamque rem naturalem tantum iuris ex natura habere, quantum potentiae habet ad existendum et operandum ... -- Baruch de Spinoza, TRACTATUS POLITICUS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]