On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 18:24 +0000, marc wrote: > Ron Johnson said... > > On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 06:34 +0800, Katipo wrote: > > > Clive Menzies wrote: > > > > > > >On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: > > > > > > > >>Clive Menzies wrote: > > [snip] [snip] > > > > Man, after all is a social creature, and "individualism" is a > > relatively new concept. European peasants would not understand > > it, and "The nail that sticks up will be hammered down" has been > > a Japanese proverb for hundreds of years. > > "The liberty of the individual is no gift of civilization. It was > greatest before there was any civilization, though then, it is true, it > had for the most part no value, since the individual was scarcely in a > position to defend it. The development of civilization imposes > restrictions on it, and justice demands that no one shall escape those > restrictions."
I scoff at this idea. The human banished from a pre-civ hunter- gatherer group was in a *world* of trouble. Life was too precarious and difficult. > Sigmund Freud, Civilization and Its Discontents, 1929 He was a psychiatrist[0], why should I believe anything he wrote. [0] Technically, a neurologist, mainly because there was no such thing as psychiatry back then. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA "Never for the sake of peace and quiet deny your convictions." Dag Hammarskjold -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
