From: steef [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:39 AM
To: debian Users
Subject: Re: Request to remove Information
Steve Lamb wrote:
privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote:
Well, according to your law of the capitalist jungle if we
offend our corporate masters^H^H employers we deserve to
be fired and starve.
And yet I've never been fired for anything I've said in
my off-duty time. Imagine that.
..mmmmm.. have been following your discussion about - as i
see it - the practice of american capitalism, corporate greed
and so on. interesting. so interesting that i saved this
thread (up till now).
This has been a very useful discussion and I think more people should
talk about these things. It's too bad some people want to stop this
thread. This is possibly the most important issue of our times.
Showing the logical and expected results of the American brand of
capitalism would at least make some people consider whether it's a
reasonable system, which I strongly believe it is not.
Steve Lamb really doesn't seem to get it. He embodies the "cowboy"
mentality that is all too common in Southern and Western States in the
U.S. (and elected Bush). It's an outrageous libertarian perspective
that believes, "give me 40 acres, a mule and a shotgun and I can take
care of myself". It completely ignores the fact that by living in a
dense, specialized society, we are by nature interdependent. Europeans,
having run out of wide open spaces long before Americans, have come to
appreciate that fact long ago. I think this explains why European laws
and customs seem to value the community far more than the U.S.
We also have this bizarre legal interpretation that a corporation is
considered a person with rights. To me, this is sheer idiocy. If you
haven't already seen it, I highly recommend the movie, "The
Corporation", which you can find on DVD. It examines corporate behavior
as if it were an actual person, and tries to determine what the
psychological diagnosis for a real person with similar behavior would
be. It is a documentary, not an attempt at humor.
well: personally i am fed up with *our* and *your* bunch of lying
and stealing lackey-politicans and their corpororate bosses.
believe me: i know where i am talking about. herman and i
analyzed for over thirty years the workings of the nuclear
industry mainly in europe. and now the *benefits* of
corporations like monsanto pioneer hi-bred and the like
for food and feed. illuminating.
From the little I know of the U.S. nuclear industry, it is among the
worst. We have them temporarily held in check, as there have been no
new nuclear plants built here for many years. I hope it stays that way,
but with our current right-wing government, I don't know how much longer
we can hold them off.
The State that I live in, Wisconsin, is an agricultural state (mostly
dairy and corn), so I am all too familiar with Monsanto and similar
organizations. Due to their power, we couldn't even pass a law to label
milk stating whether the cows were injected with bovine growth hormone.
Most of the farmers here don't even want it and we already have a
surplus of dairy products. The only beneficiaries are the few huge
corporate dairy operations and of course Monsanto. The typical family
dairy farm in Wisconsin is 200 acres with about the same number of cows.
These people work seven days a week and are still going out of business.
Most of them have a family member with a job in a nearby town so they
can keep their farms. We are losing around 10% of our family farms each
year. It's really sad.
i am glad that most of you try to make a decent living like
the mosty of us over here and detest most things as they are
going.
That is what most people are doing, of course. I felt very sad to see
the posts from people whose jobs were outsourced to third-world
countries. I have a number of friends in that same position, software
engineers with 25 years of experience who can no longer find meaningful
work. With our H1-B visa program ("guest workers"), downtown San Jose
in California (the heart of Silicon Valley) is full of apartments that
are shared by five or six Malaysian or Philippino engineers who work for
very low wages and _no_ benefits (i.e. no health care, no vacation, no
sick leave). Some of them are hired as "contractors", which means they
are not considered employees so they have to pay all their own taxes, as
well. No American with a family can afford to work for such low wages.
I have no malice for these hardworking engineers, they are just doing
the best they can for their own families. It is our system of trade
that is broken, that allows our corporations to take advantage of
poverty in some countries. There will always be somebody, somewhere who
is hungrier and will work for less and under worse conditions. There
are currently no laws stopping corporations from taking advantage of
this situation.
kind regards,
steef
best wishes to you and yours,
Seth Goodman
Verona, WI
US
