On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 09:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Subject: No Subject > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:47:38 +0000 > > debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2005 : Issue 2720 > > Today's Topics: > RE: Request to remove Information [ Robert Brockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: web-based http password/group ma [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allan ] > Re: web-based http password/group ma [ Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > Re: compiling mozilla 1.8a4 vs. 1.7. [ Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: web-based http password/group ma [ Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: Request to remove Information [ Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: Request to remove Information [ Gnu-Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > Re: A few general questions from a D [ Robert Brockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > grammar checkers [ Mark Grieveson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > Re: grammar checkers [ Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > OT: Issue with rsync under Windows X [ Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: Tools to manipulate PDFs [ "John M. Gabriele" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED] ] > Re: wiki package recommendation [ "John M. Gabriele" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED] ] > Re: unsubsrib [ Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Robert Brockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: RE: Request to remove Information > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:35:03 -0500 > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > A US national would be someone living legally in the US. You're *only* > > That's not the definition that is commonly accepted. The term 'national' > when used as a noun is interchangeable with citizen. This is what > dictionary.com says about the noun 'national': > > National, noun: > > 1. A citizen of a particular nation. See Synonyms at citizen. > > 2. A contest or tournament involving participants from all parts of a > nation. Often used in the plural. > > The people who may legally live in any given nation cannot be easily > defined as a right to reside is often covered under numerous different > laws. Among those who can legally live in the US include: US citizens, > Canadians or Mexicans on a TN visa, H1-B visa holders, Australians on an > E-3 visa, refugees, and the spouses of most of the afore mentioned > categories. > > > allowed to hire US nationals inside US territory. > > This is not true regardless of which definition of national is used. Who > can be hired in the US is a more complex issue than who can live there :) > For example, the spouses of TN visa holders cannot work in the US but the > spouses of E-3 visa holders can. > > Rob > > -- > Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-416-669-3073 > Senior Technical Consultant Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Web: www.opentrend.net > We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Allan Wind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Cc: Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: web-based http password/group manager > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:57:22 -0500 > > On 2005-11-13T17:34:36+1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > This is true ;-) Except for encrypted passwords. Anyway, I want > > web-based so that web accounts can be administered more simply. > > webmin? > > > /Allan > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: web-based http password/group manager > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:34:36 +1100 > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 09:50:07PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > > Can anyone recommend a good web-based (CGI, PHP etc) manager for HTTP > > > password/group files? > > > > > > Specifically I need to maintain a list of users, and assign the users to > > > one or more groups. > > > > vi ... takes about 5 seconds bring up the files to add/delete users :-) > > This is true ;-) Except for encrypted passwords. Anyway, I want > web-based so that web accounts can be administered more simply. > > > thanks > > Hamish > -- > Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: compiling mozilla 1.8a4 vs. 1.7.12 + truetype > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:46:28 -0600 > > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Come to find out that mozilla went backwards in their release version > > numbers: 1.7.12 is later than 1.8a4 or 1.8b1. > > > > Anyway I compile 1.8a4 with: > > #used 07/09 on HDB2 Sarge Disk with moz1.8a4 > > ac_add_options --enable-default-mozilla-five-home=/opt/mozilla > > ac_add_options --with-x > > ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=gtk2 > > ac_add_options --enable-crypto > > ac_add_options --enable-xft2 > > ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O3 > > ac_add_options --enable-reorder > > ac_add_options --enable-strip > > ac_add_options --enable-elf-dynstr-gc > > ac_add_options --enable-cpp-rtti > > ac_add_options --enable-extensions=all > > ac_add_options --disable-svg > > ac_add_options --disable-freetype2 > > ac_add_options --disable-jsd > > ac_add_options --disable-accessibility > > ac_add_options --disable-tests > > ac_add_options --disable-debug > > ac_add_options --disable-dtd-debug > > ac_add_options --disable-logging > > ac_add_options --disable-toolkit-gtk > > ac_add_options --disable-xprint > > ac_add_options --with-gssapi=/usr/include/gssapi > > ac_add_options --enable-application=suite > > ac_add_options --enable-calendar > > > > Which gives you antialiasing support and TT. > > > > When you compile 1.7.12 with those options you get no antialiasing and > > no TT. > > > > Anybody have a clue how to get TT and antialiasing when compiling 1.7.12? > > > > The answer was provided in the netscape.public.mozilla.builds: > > It is not: > ac_add_options --enable-xft2 > but: > ac_add_options --enable-xft > > Who knows why this works with 1.8a4. > > On a separate note: 1.8a4 scrolls editor windows in pages like Yahoo! > mail with the scroll wheel. 1.7.12 does not. > > Can anybody confirm this? > > H > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: web-based http password/group manager > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:19:09 -0800 > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > vi ... takes about 5 seconds bring up the files to add/delete users :-) > > > > This is true ;-) Except for encrypted passwords. Anyway, I want > > web-based so that web accounts can be administered more simply. > > couple minutes to make a cgi-script that: > > func add users() > htpasswd -c .htpasswd newuser > > htpasswd administers its passwd automatically > and nothing to do about it .. including > changing from des to rsa to foo-encryption > > find and delete users() > if [ grep user .htpasswd ] > grep -iv user < .htpasswd.old > .htpasswd > > add the cosmetics as needed, or more importantly, > filter out all the whacky things like "rm -rf /" as > a username and/or passwd and watch for race conditions > > or install somebody else's appp and spend min/hrs/days/weeks > trying to figure out what they intended for you to be doing > > either way.. you will still need to make a webpage > that calls their cgi or your cleaned up cgi-as-above > to change your all important .htpasswd and .htaccess > and other equivalent files > > c ya > alvin > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Request to remove Information > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:01:32 -0600 > > Weissgerber, Tom L wrote: > > //Debian,// > > > > //The following information should not have been made available to the > > entire public domain. Please remove the following links/files at your > > earliest convenience. // > > > > * //Date//: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:57:42 -0700 > > * //Message-id//: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04351.html>> > > > > * //In-reply-to//: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04351.html>> > > * //Message-id//: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04364.html>> > > * //Old-return-path//: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * //References//: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04351.html>> > > * //Reply-to//: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:carla%40bratgrrl.com> > > > > > > Nice note. > Who made you write it? > > I know how it happened! I did the same once ;-) > You are looking at the debian user list in the Mail-News window and you > decide to write a letter. You send it thinking you are in your inbox, > but your are not, you are in the newsgroup section and out and away she > goes. > Is Bangalore nice? > > H > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Gnu-Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Request to remove Information > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:12:47 -0600 > > On 15:21, Sat 12 Nov 05, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Seth Goodman wrote: > > > > > Are you curious why? They have a sense of national pride and feel a part > > > of the Indian economy, thus they naturally prefer to hire their own > > > nationals. That's illegal here, but thankfully, they are not so > > > constrained. > > > > It's not illegal here, but with the way Americans treat each other on the > > job, it might as well be. > > > > -- > > Paul Johnson > > Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber > > > Why do people talk about just out sourcing, what about age > discrimination and also quota's. Just because their is a law > for it doesn't mean that it's not done. Don't people wonder > what the not qualified, term means. The same goes for those > who are male and female, gender challenged. If the person who > does the hiring is biased then it will show. People should > not do that but they do, the same goes for the best > qualified person, many times the best person is not hired, > due to inlaws, and buddies who need a job. > > Sure you could sue, but if your jobless, and need to put > food on the table it is over looked, also it's hard to > prove. > > A while ago a few Universities decided to change their > admitance policy, due to law and trying to be more fair. > Guess what the special intrests groups are in a uproar as > certain groups in the community have seen a drop in > admitance. > > Also some people want to push for the rights of all children > to have a paid education. Or some people think we owe them > due to what happened in the past. > > Enough of this double standard, for example one of the > political themes going around is the thought that some > policies are bad for a nation. It's almost like one nation can > be freeier then another, like my freedom is better than > yours, since my cousin, friend, died in a war. Freedom is > Freedom, don't we all have the same right's, why should I > put a price on your freedom comparied to mine? What people > are doing is putting a price on liberty, and freedom, this > will lead to more problems. > > I think their is no easy answer, unless you can think of a > way to change human nature, without trampling peoples > rights. > > Gnu_Raiz > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Robert Brockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:43:53 -0500 > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Scott wrote: > > > I was absolutely blown away by this: > > > > The latest official Debian Sarge package for Firefox is for v 1.04! > > http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mozilla-firefox/ > > > > I'm rather surprised to see this. Why? > > > > Firefox is currently @ 1.07 and every "point" release since 1.0 has been > > due to security issues. > > It's normal for the Debian security team to backport changes into the > existing code base in Debian. Thus I expect the Firefox 1.04 to be the > vanilla source 1.04 plus backported security fixes. This is a _good_ > thing as it means less changes on an update. This is one of the strengths > of the Debian approach. > > Rob > > -- > Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-416-669-3073 > Senior Technical Consultant Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Web: www.opentrend.net > We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Mark Grieveson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> > Subject: grammar checkers > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:38:02 -0500 > > > And now back to my first digression: I realize that Abiword's latest > > > has a grammar check (coincidentally, I also had no problem installing > > > the latest Abiword on Sarge, which means anyone could install it, the > > > newest of the new, on Sarge). However, it fell far short of WordPerfect > > > 6.1's Grammatik (released just as mankind was picking up sticks and > > > learning to beat the Monolith, I believe). Likewise, Diction, a Unix > > > tool, has been around forever; so, why do Linux word processors not have > > > something that Windows word processors have had since mankind first > > > realized the significance of having an opposable digit? > > > That must have been some grammar checker in WP 6.1. Every one I've ever > > used in Word (up through Word 2000) sucked. > > > It was very good. It would not only point out grammar errors, but > gave thorough explanations as well (for example: "This sentence is in > the passive voice, ie, 'The ball was thrown by John'. Consider > rewording to the active voice, ie, 'John threw the ball'"). > > A function of computers is to help people to communicate, and become > empowered. Some computer users are recent immigrants, for whom > English is not their first language. Some computer users did not > have a chance to attend post-secondary education, and worry about how > they sound. And some are educated, but still like to have both their > spelling and grammar checked once in a while. Whenever I ask, in a > Linux forum, why Linux word processors do not have grammar checkers, I > usually receive snobby answers implying that grammar checkers are > stupid, and therefore so am I. And this always surprises me. > > Of course, my being surprised by snobbishness from the Linux community > is kinda stupid on my part, I suppose. > > Anyway, I will now get off my soapbox. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> > Subject: Re: grammar checkers > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:25:35 -0800 > > Mark Grieveson wrote: > > It was very good. It would not only point out grammar errors, but gave > > thorough explanations as well (for example: "This sentence is in the > > /passive voice, /ie, 'The ball was thrown by John'. Consider rewording > > to the /active voice,/ ie, 'John threw the ball'"). > > Ah, yes, the active, passive voice "error". > > Mary's black eye stung. It had been hit by a ball. She looked at each of > her classmates. John was the only one who would not look her in the eye. She > knew, the ball had been thrown by John. > > DINGDINGDING, passive voice! But that's what fits there. > > > A function of computers is to help people to communicate, and become > > empowered. > > No, the function of computers is to do what we tell them to do, not the > other way around. > > > Some computer users are recent immigrants, for whom English > > is not their first language. Some computer users did not have a chance > > to attend post-secondary education, and worry about how they sound. And > > some are educated, but still like to have both their spelling and > > grammar checked once in a while. > > These are precisely the people who shouldn't be using grammer software and > should use spelling software with care. It is because just these people might > not know there is a mistake in the words their software approves because > they're spelled correctly[1]. Spelling, being far more mechanical than > grammer, is easier to check. Grammer suffers exponentially from the same > problem. Just because the computer says it is right doesn't make it so. It's > great for people who are fluent so they can have a second check on their work. > But it must always be secondary to their own spelling and grammer. They must > have the confidence to know when they are correct and the computer is > incorrect otherwise they will make many misguided mistakes and end up sounding > like their missives were computer generated. > > [1] Why yes, their, there and they're were put into that sentence as an > example. Have a cookie! > > -- > Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your > PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. > -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: OT: Issue with rsync under Windows XP > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:26:15 +0000 > > Off topic I know, but just a hope that someone here may have an answer > > I have long backed up my work laptop (running win2k) by running the rsync > daemon using cygrunsrv on the lap top and using an overnight cron job from my > Debian server to suck out all the data and save it. > > I have just got a new laptop that runs XP (professional). I set up rsync on > there identically to before. From my server, I can get see that the rsync > daemon is running because I can get it to list the modules it will serve. > > However as soon as I try and access any data for real I get access denied > failures (see below for the output) > > roo:~# rsync rabbit.home:: > system the complete c drive > alan Alan's specific user space > roo:~# rsync rabbit.home::alan/ > @ERROR: access denied to alan from roo.home (192.168.0.20) > rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] > rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(420) > roo:~# > > One difference - the new file system is NTFS, the old one was FAT32. > > Ethereal on the link just has the simple exchange above, no other data > > Nothing is being logged (despite cygrunsrv directing stdout and stderr to a > log file) as to what the problem might be, so I am finding it hard to debug. > Anyone and ideas? > > > -- > Alan Chandler > http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk > Open Source. It's the difference between trust and antitrust. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: John M. Gabriele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Tools to manipulate PDFs > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:38:44 -0800 > > --- Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Christian Christmann: > > > > > > are there any tools that allow one to > > > split, merge and append PDFs? > > > > apt-cache show pdfjam > > > > Needs tetex. > > > > J. > > -- > > I like pdftk. > > ---John > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: John M. Gabriele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: wiki package recommendation > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:44:14 -0800 > > --- noc ops <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > hi, > > > > can anyone recommend a wiki package (stable) and willing share their > > experience. > > > > any pointers will be appreciated. > > > > > > regards, > > /virendra > > > > I tried a few a while ago. I was looking for something fairly > small and simple. Easy to install and use. No real db required. > > I found pmwiki, and have been happy with it. > > http://www.pmichaud.com/wiki/PmWiki/PmWiki > > ---John > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Debian Users > <debian-user@lists.debian.org> > Subject: Re: unsubsrib > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:03:25 -0700 > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 12 November 2005 14:35, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > >>Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Y'know, I didn't see your signature and certainly don't consider > >>Thunderbird broken. Of course it is because I installed the Quote > >>Colors extension and have signatures hidden. I call that a > >>preference. :P > > > > And its preventing you from seeing the unsubscribe instructions > > appended to every message comeing through these servers. > > That's not the only place they appear in the message..... > > > You choice if you want to look like you just got off the bus. > > Um.. Naah, I'll just let that one go. I'd have waay to much fun with it. > > > > > I looked at Thunderbird because a friend was raving about it. It > > didn't impress me, but then I'm used to kmail from kde 3.3.0. > > > Html doodads are nothing but a PITA that quadruples the size of the message, > > Agreed. But in many cases I don't mind. > > > email should be pure text. > > Point me to the RFC. I'd not heard that before. > If this were truly the case, your beloved KMail would not allow one to > compose/read HTML emails. > > On a related note, I won't argue that HTML on a mailing list is a no-no, > unless the list admin specifically states otherwise. I've seen a few > lists that allow it but they are rather rare. I only use HTML in email > when it's a personal email, to someone I know and whom I know can read > them (e.g. I know they use Kmail and not Mutt). > > > TBird makes that difficult IMO. > > Not difficult at all. Quite easy, actually. The last time I looked at > Kmail the settings were similar. > > > It's pretty, yes, but its usability to me is a -1. > > It's great by itself and downright awesome after some downloads from > https://addons.mozilla.org > > > > > And you cannot count either. I could get rid of the Openoffice blurb, > > but the rest stays, its been there for years and you are the first to > > complain in about 7 years now... > > I find this amusing coming from someone who dictates that "[all] emails > should be pure [plain] text" > > You might want to take a look @ http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt > (Wow a URL pointing to a plain text file on a web site!). > > Allow me to quote from there: > > "If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb is no longer > than 4 lines. " > > As a matter of fact, most NNTP servers and a number of mailing lists, > remove anything in a sig after the 4th line. > > Big sigs are just downright obnoxious and there are a number of client > programs and scripts out there that were written to remove/obscure them > from email/usenet postings. They are really useless for the most part > (mine included). All the information you *really* need can be found in > the headers of the message. >
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