on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 07:38:39PM +1100, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:18:53PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > My problem with numerous GNOME apps (goats comes to mind) is that they
> > start the panel.  This is one of several extremely annoying GNOME
> > behaviors.  Any possibility to override?
> 
> Maybe you're having this problem because goats isn't a GNOME app
> proper, but a panel applet? 

I believe it's an applet, though it doesn't advertise it as same:

    Package: goats
    Priority: extra
    Section: x11
    Installed-Size: 293
    Maintainer: KiHyeon Seo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    Architecture: i386
    Version: 0.6-1
    Description: A sticky-note type program for Gnome
     Goats is a yellow post-it note applet for the Gnome desktop.
     .
     It's modelled after Knotes for KDE, and is also similar to
     gnome-gnotes. Goats features alarms, autosaving and more..

...though that does suggest maybe I want to look at
gnome-gnotes....which doesn't exist.

Feh!

> Other panel applets have the same (irritating) behaviour, but I've
> never encountered it in any "real" GNOME applications.

It's more than one applet I've encountered that does this.  KDE's apps
don't seem to have the same behavior.

> I'm not sure if this is something you can override. Probably not,
> unfortunately. If you're averse to running the panel for screen
> real-estate rather than memory considerations you could create a tiny
> little floating panel that contained only goats... I probably wouldn't
> even if I could, though, it's a pretty sensibilities-offending prospect
> :).

It's not so much the memory (thought that's an issue), it's just a
matter of environment / desktop control.  I don't like GNOME.  There are
a few apps which are reasonable.  I'll use them.  Loading the entire
environment for a single goddamned little utility is a joke though.

There's a distinction between integration and interoperability I'd
thought we'd learned in the 1990s.

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