dpkg and rpm and slp(stampede) people should get together and work out a new format for future linux distributions..take the best from everything, and have it be a neutral name that gives credit to any 1 group/company for comming up with it. i dont have experience using slp but from what i read it sounds pretty good.. deb is probably the best, and rpm, being the first of its kind for linux is, quite lacking(it did its job well in its day though that day is comming to an end). I dont think anyone will be able to convince everyone else(distribution wise) to 'convert' from rpm to deb or deb to rpm ..it seems much more likely for everyone to convert to something new, something that is totally backwards compadible(integreate alien into it's code maybe?) take the best from everything.. also give the ability to have self installign packages, so you dont have to worry about libs or other programs to install a package(it would bloat the packages a lot, but thats why it'd be an option..it wouldnt be on all packages)
nate On 31 Dec 1999, JF Martinez wrote: jfm2 >> jfm2 >> Hi, jfm2 >> jfm2 >> Here is a summary of the proposal for a common source file format: jfm2 >> jfm2 >> - Good idea! jfm2 >> - Waste of time, Use configure; make; make install, Most packages are for Unix, not only Linux. jfm2 > jfm2 >Who cares about Unix? the sooner Linux kills it the best. jfm2 > jfm2 >> - Source management problems, no-one is interested in BOTH .rpms and .debs! What about experimental versions? jfm2 >> - For experimental packages, use dselect to put a hold on the new version. jfm2 > jfm2 >That applies only to Debian users and that is a minority jfm2 > jfm2 > jfm2 >> - For debian, directory structure is important, not .dsc files. jfm2 >> - Good suggestion, decision is up to the package author!! jfm2 >> - How to ensure the .spec files are valid and functional? jfm2 > jfm2 >By building them of course. Even an unvalid RPM is a good starting point. jfm2 > jfm2 >> - Reducing incompatibility between the variants of the GNU/Linux OS'es is a useful job. jfm2 >> - Hard to build good rpm's and deb's. Install to standard directories? What about FHS?? jfm2 > jfm2 >The standard is too lax now. For instance RedHat installs little in jfm2 >/usr/X11R6 while other distribs tend to put in it everything who needs jfm2 >X to work. That breaks compatibilty on #! scripts and at times on jfm2 >binaries. Also there should be a common naming scheme for RPMs jfm2 >between main distribs using RPM otherwise you get dependency problems. jfm2 >Finally there should be an agreement on miniaml versions on libraries to jfm2 >avoid incompatibility problems jfm2 > jfm2 >> - GNU people participating in LSB work? jfm2 >> - Debian is not GNU!? jfm2 >> - After rms comments about LSB/GNU/Linux/... this thread turned into a flame war!! No more comments of technical nature any more. Sorry I thought it was an idea worth a better faith!! jfm2 >> jfm2 >> Binary formats: jfm2 >> - Alien can be used, at least from .rpm to .deb jfm2 > jfm2 >Other style too. But that does not mean it will be a good or even jfm2 >working packahge (see above) jfm2 > jfm2 >> - rpm format to be used for binary packages in LSB. jfm2 >> jfm2 >> People who replied: jfm2 >> Iain Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jfm2 >> George Toft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jfm2 >> Oliver Elphick <olly@lfix.co.uk> jfm2 >> Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jfm2 >> cyberclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jfm2 >> Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jfm2 >> Chris Siebenmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jfm2 >> Daniel Quinlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jfm2 >> Flaming replies not included!! jfm2 >> jfm2 >> PS. jfm2 >> This mail has been written using GNU Emacs and VM. Wonderful software. What about gemacs, jfm2 >> a gnomified version!? jfm2 > jfm2 >Would be great. jfm2 > jfm2 > jfm2 >> DS. jfm2 >> jfm2 >> Happy New Millennium to everybody! jfm2 >> Best regards, jfm2 >> jfm2 > jfm2 >This is the other Y2K bug. Next millenium starts january 2001 because jfm2 >there was never a 0 year jfm2 > jfm2 > jfm2 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] jfm2 >> jfm2 > jfm2 >-- jfm2 > Jean Francois Martinez jfm2 > jfm2 >Project Independence: Linux for the Masses jfm2 >http://www.independence.seul.org jfm2 > jfm2 > jfm2 >-- jfm2 >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] jfm2 >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] jfm2 > jfm2 > jfm2 >-- jfm2 >Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null jfm2 > ----------------------------------------[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336 http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By: http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMP http://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -----------------------------------------[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 1:53pm up 133 days, 1:47, 4 users, load average: 1.42, 1.56, 1.53
