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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2002 : Issue 703
Today's Topics:
Re: IDE disks won't interoperate [ "nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Mutt and multiple identities [ Thorsten Haude <debian@thorstenhau. ]
Re: Font anti-aliasing [ Johan Ehnberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: usb mouse [ "Bruce Park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: DMI pool data [ messmate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
who knows a V.92 compatible ISP? [ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Font anti-aliasing [ Bruno Diniz de Paula <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
kbdrate as ordinary user [ Ward Vandewege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
what's everyone's favorite audio set [ sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Mutt and multiple identities [ Matthew Daubenspeck <matt@oddproces ]
emusic.com? [ "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris ]
Re: Cheap CDs [ Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re: block webistes [ Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Exim permissions [ Shyamal Prasad <shyamal.prasad@sbcg ]
KWANZAA MUSIC OF NEW ORLEANS [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
The IP MASQ MTU problem [ Mark Copper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Can't get KDE working! [ Shyamal Prasad <shyamal.prasad@sbcg ]
Apache dies after logrotate [ Iain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: remote printing [ Shyamal Prasad <shyamal.prasad@sbcg ]
Re: Exim + Procmail + Cyrus [ "David Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: dhclient problems [ Shyamal Prasad <shyamal.prasad@sbcg ]
MSN Messenger SERVER for linux? [ "David Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
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Subject:
Re: IDE disks won't interoperate
From:
"nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:26:59 -0800 (PST)
To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Oliver Elphick said:
Situation:a lot of older IDE disks have compadiblity issues with each other.
I have a 6Gb 2.5" drive from a laptop, that won't boot in the laptop and
has been replaced by a 10Gb drive. (The old disk is Hitachi DK228A-65, and
the new is DK23BA-10.)
some refuse to be a slave in any configuration, some refuse to work
on the same channel unless the other disk is the same brand(or same model),
etc.
your best bet would be to install a 2nd ide controller and hook the
drive to it. or you can try making the cdrom a slave and the hard disk
a master and see if that helps. also there may be special jumpers on the
disk which may put it in a more 'compadible' mode. consult the docs on the
drive for this info. I reccomend promise ata/100 controllers.
nate
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Subject:
Re: Mutt and multiple identities
From:
Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:38:35 +0100
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
* Matthew Daubenspeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-01 20:57]:
folder-hook . source ~/.muttrcMaybe you don't set the settings back? You have to set them back
folder-hook =INBOX.NWLSD source ~/.mutt/nwlsd_muttrc
For testing purposes, the NWLSD setup has a different set of headers
and a different signature. This seems to work when I switch to the
NWLSD folder.
However, if I switch back to INBOX (or any other folder), it still
seems to use the NWLSD settings. If I don't switch to the NWLSD
folder, all the settings are as they should be until I switch. Any
ideas what I am doing incorrectly?
individually, not by file.
Thorsten
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Subject:
Re: Font anti-aliasing
From:
Johan Ehnberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:30:37 +0200
To:
debian-user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Looking at
http://people.debian.org/~walters/gnome2.html
There's a short FAQ:
How do I get antialiased fonts in GNOME 2?
Add the following line to /etc/environment:
GDK_USE_XFT=1
Also, if you want antialiasing in GDM, add the following lines near
the top of the /etc/init.d/gdm file:
GDK_USE_XFT=1
export GDK_USE_XFT
Cheers
/johan
Bruno Diniz de Paula wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am running Gnome2 and I would like to know what I have to do to enable
> anti-aliasing (in particular, font anti-aliasing) in my environment.
> Which are the options I have? Load freetype on X?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruno.
>
> PS: I don't use font servers.
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Subject:
Re: usb mouse
From:
"Bruce Park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:32:29 -0500
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nate,
I fixed the problem. I actually had to put "mousedev" in the file /etc/modules or X wouldn't start. Also, usbcore, hid, and usb-ohci aren't being used. I got rid of them and things still run fine. Just wanted to say, thanks for the help.
bp
From: "nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: usb mouse
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:32:59 -0800 (PST)
Bruce Park said:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have a MS Wheel Mouse Optical plugged into the usb port in my pc. This
> mouse has two buttons and a scroller.
> It seems to me that my X-Server won't start because it doesn't recognize
> /dev/input/mice. I've read somewhere you need to load the usb modules
> before you can use them. Since I just finished installing
> debian(2.4.bf24), how can I install the usb modules?
I would expect the bf24 kernel to have the modules. lookin at the config
file it does. So, for me it was pretty easy, I migrated my laptop to
2.4.20 a couple days ago and usb was a snap(about as easy as with
2.2.x.
what i did:
modprobe hid
modprobe mousedev
that loaded the drivers for my logitech mouseman marble wheel.
I already had my device, I use /dev/usbmouse:
crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 Feb 17 2002 /dev/usbmouse
that would be:
mknod /dev/usbmouse c 13 63
then I configured X to use this device and it worked fine. I already
had X configured since I had usb workin in 2.2.19 as well. I don't
have my USB load on boot, it seems to conflict with my sound, so
I only load it when I need it.
nate
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Subject:
Re: DMI pool data
From:
messmate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:42:33 +0100
To:
debian-en <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:15:04 -0200
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On Sun, 01 Dec 2002, Michael Naumann wrote:
| > Does your bios have something like
| > "Restore faile-save settings"
| > | > I would give a try.
No, no 'restore fail-save settings.
| | Failing that, try reflashing the BIOS, and make SURE to tell the
| flash program to fully erase the DMI area. But be careful, if you
| do it wrong, the machine will have to go to the repair shop.
| Thanks, but I can't. Can't boot nor from the floppy, cdrom or hd :-(
As you say, 90% risc the card go to the repair shop.
mess-mate
| -- | "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
| them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
| where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
| Henrique Holschuh
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Subject:
who knows a V.92 compatible ISP?
From:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:50:12 +0000
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does anyone know a v.92 British ISP?
Regards, Dean.
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Subject:
Re: Font anti-aliasing
From:
Bruno Diniz de Paula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
01 Dec 2002 15:48:34 -0500
To:
debian-user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Johan,
thanks for your answer. The only problem was that when I enabled the
antialiasing just like you suggested, I "lost" my truetype fonts already
installed. Is there any way to continue using truetype also with
antialiased fonts (GDK_USE_XFT=1) enabled?
Thanks a lot,
Bruno.
On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 15:30, Johan Ehnberg wrote:
Looking at
http://people.debian.org/~walters/gnome2.html
There's a short FAQ:
How do I get antialiased fonts in GNOME 2?
Add the following line to /etc/environment:
GDK_USE_XFT=1
Also, if you want antialiasing in GDM, add the following lines near
the top of the /etc/init.d/gdm file:
GDK_USE_XFT=1
export GDK_USE_XFT
Cheers
/johan
Bruno Diniz de Paula wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am running Gnome2 and I would like to know what I have to do to enable
> anti-aliasing (in particular, font anti-aliasing) in my environment.
> Which are the options I have? Load freetype on X?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruno.
>
> PS: I don't use font servers.
--
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Subject:
kbdrate as ordinary user
From:
Ward Vandewege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:55:35 +0000
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
** Debian testing/unstable **
I'm having some trouble here with kbdrate. The problem is that on resume from
an apmd suspend, my laptop defaults back to a keyboard repeat rate of 10, and
that is _really_ slow. Manually executing kbdrate -r30 as root solves that
problem. But of course I don't work as root, and it obviously should be
automatable.
I've tried putting a little script in /etc/apm/event.d called 'kbdrate', that
looks like this:
#!/bin/bash
# /etc/apm/event.d/kbdrate
if [ "$1" = "resume" ] ; then
/sbin/kbdrate -r30 -d250
fi
But that doesn't do it.
Also, when executing /sbin/kbdrate as a user, one gets 'Cannot open
/dev/port: permission denied'. I've tried setuid & setguid'ing /dev/port,
doesn't help.
I've even tried setuid & setguid'ing my little kbdrate script in
/etc/apm/event.d, but that doesn't help either.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Ward.
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Subject:
what's everyone's favorite audio setup?
From:
sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:07:14 -0500
To:
Debian Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
hi all,
i'm getting tired by my many audio-wanting apps not getting along
with one another, and i'm looking to switch to some kind of audio
environment that allows multiple programs access to the soundcard
at the same time. i know there are a few programs out there
that do this (libarts, esd, ...?), but i'd like to hear from other
folks and get their opinions for the better or worse before starting
experimenting myself.
thanks
sean
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Subject:
Re: Mutt and multiple identities
From:
Matthew Daubenspeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:03:49 -0500
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 09:38:35PM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote:
Hi,It works by sourcing a file, I just had to create a seperate "default"
* Matthew Daubenspeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-01 20:57]:
folder-hook . source ~/.muttrcMaybe you don't set the settings back? You have to set them back
folder-hook =INBOX.NWLSD source ~/.mutt/nwlsd_muttrc
For testing purposes, the NWLSD setup has a different set of headers
and a different signature. This seems to work when I switch to the
NWLSD folder.
However, if I switch back to INBOX (or any other folder), it still
seems to use the NWLSD settings. If I don't switch to the NWLSD
folder, all the settings are as they should be until I switch. Any
ideas what I am doing incorrectly?
individually, not by file.
file unsetting and resetting everything. Thanks for the help!
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Subject:
emusic.com?
From:
"Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:13:22 -0500
To:
Debian Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Just signed up for the 30 day trial of emusic.com. They list "zinf" as
a compatable player. Has anyone tried this? Whenever I try to download
something it wants to save .emp files which are xml files that zinf
doesn't seem to be able to understand.
Any thoughts/theories?
:wq!
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DISCLAIMER:
These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
FYI:
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Subject:
Re: Cheap CDs
From:
Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 01 Dec 2002 21:18:32 +0000
To:
Debian User list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
It is the master on my ide1 bus - would be /dev/hdc if I didn't have it
marked for SCSI emulation (now there is no hdc.) My traditional CD-ROM
drive is /dev/hdd (ie slave on ide1), an old 6x CD drive that predates
the availability of CDDA, but it works fine as a CD-ROM drive otherwise
- I just can't rip .ogg files from it (an entirely different matter that
isn't an issue for me.) I followed the HOWTO for CD burners
intelligently (I've been working with microcomputers for over a quarter
of a century, including coding on the metal and writing o/s code -
device drivers, memory managers, task managers, so I have a couple clues
on this, and can accept that sometimes, hardware just isn't up to the
task.)
I cannot replicate your problem because my cdrw is my only CD drive (mounted as /cdrom from emulated scd0). When I use Xcdroast to duplicate a data CD (duplicate CD > read CD > read all tracks) it creates an image, then I can write the image to the cdr. Obviously I cannot duplicate on the fly. Sorry.
I would guess that if you can produce an image file from your CDRW, the software is OK. Have you tried setting your CDRW to a lower write speed (< or = 6x) for copying on the fly?
Hth,
Chris.
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Subject:
Re: block webistes
From:
Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:31:54 +0000
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
webis, -tis (3) n. That which, when made the subject of a thread,
causes people's posts to appear three times for no apparent reason
with a page and a half of headers.
- Pigeon's 21st Century Latin Dictionary
:-)
Pigeon
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Subject:
Re: Exim permissions
From:
Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
01 Dec 2002 15:52:35 -0600
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Pigeon" == jah pigeon <Pigeon> writes:
>> Better still, use sudo and you will not have to do any C
>> programming :-)
Pigeon> Even for your set real u/gid trick? - given that there's
Pigeon> no setgid(1), and setuid(1) doesn't let you set the gid as
Pigeon> well? And it can manage that without being a security
Pigeon> hole? That's pretty neat.
Yes, sudo should work. That is because sudo actually runs the program
as root, not with the effective user id of root.
You might find it instructive to modify your little C program to run
"/usr/bin/id" instead of exim and see what it prints out with
different combinations of setuid/setgid file permissons and sudo.
You did mean setuid(2) up there, right? There is a setgid(2) call. I
have not heard that sudo is inherently insecure in any specific way
(but I'm not a long time sudo user).
Cheers!
Shyamal
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Subject:
KWANZAA MUSIC OF NEW ORLEANS
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:34:03 -0600
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We invite you to hear a collection of New Orleans Kwanzaa Music presented for your enjoyment by Bill Summers.
http://www.essenceofkwanzaa.com
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Subject:
The IP MASQ MTU problem
From:
Mark Copper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:00:39 -0500 (EST)
To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I've just had the pleasure of hunting this one down. I've included the
option mtu 1492 in /etc/network/interfaces for my NIC and I seem to be
back in business (knock on woody!). This per the IP-MASQ HOWTO, section
7.15 (I connect via PPPoE).
But I wish I understood this better. Why would an MTU of 1500 suddenly
become a problem? I had been doing fine for weeks. Why would it be a
problem for one machine and not another? My 2.2 kernel machine has no
problem. The HOWTO says MTU for PPPoE is 1490 but ifconfig shows 1492; if
a difference of 10=1500-1490 is a problem, might 2 be?
Anyone out there willing to shed light/share experience? (I can't bring up
the MTU thread from the linux kernel list; is the link outdated?)
Thanks.
Mark
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Subject:
Re: Can't get KDE working!
From:
Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
01 Dec 2002 16:04:39 -0600
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"James" == JAMES MERRITT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
James> Hi everyone, I am having a problem with my KDE not running,
James> or rather it is running but all I get when I type: startx
James> is twm.
I'm not sure what you mean by "it is running but all I get....is twm"?
Are you getting a kdm graphical login or not?
Look in /etc/alternatives/ for the x-* links. If you do not have an
x-session-manager link to kde2 you should 'man update-alternatives' to
see what you can do. For example, on my system:
shyamal@rattler:~$ cd /etc/alternatives/
shyamal@rattler:/etc/alternatives$ ls -l x-session-manager lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Apr 22 2002 x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/kde2
shyamal@rattler:/etc/alternatives$ /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display x-session-manager x-session-manager - status is auto.
link currently points to /usr/bin/kde2
/usr/bin/gnome-session - priority 20
slave x-session-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/gnome-session.1.gz
/usr/bin/kde2 - priority 40
Current `best' version is /usr/bin/kde2.
Don't trust me on all this, I don't use kde, I have an ~/.xsession
file that starts xfce via a gdm screen.
Cheers!
Shyamal
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Subject:
Apache dies after logrotate
From:
Iain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:11:35 +1100
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I am experiencing a problem where apache goes into a kind of zombie state after the daily logrotate script runs and send a -HUP signal to apache. Apache still manages to serve some requests but it does so very slowly and eventually just stops responding. This doesn't happen every day but quite frequently.
Versions are:
-- System Information
Debian Release: 3.0
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux spinach 2.4.19 #1 Mon Sep 2 20:19:43 CST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=en_AU, LC_CTYPE=en_AU
Versions of packages apache depends on:
ii apache-common 1.3.26-0woody3 Support files for all Apache webse
ii dpkg 1.9.21 Package maintenance system for Deb
ii libc6 2.2.5-11.2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii libdb2 2:2.7.7.0-7 The Berkeley database routines (ru
ii libexpat1 1.95.2-6 XML parsing C library - runtime li
ii logrotate 3.5.9-8 Log rotation utility
ii mime-support 3.18-1 MIME files 'mime.types' & 'mailcap
ii perl 5.6.1-7 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction ii perl [perl5] 5.6.1-7 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction
As you can imagine this is very frustrating on a live server. Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas what could be causing it? Is it simply a bug in that version of apache?
cheers, Iain.
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Subject:
Re: remote printing
From:
Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
01 Dec 2002 16:14:36 -0600
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Raymond" == Raymond Gree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Raymond> Hello Debian community I installed Debian to replace my
Raymond> RedHat on my server and have the following problem
Raymond> I can't print anymore on my remote Debian printer from my
Raymond> other Redhat machine
Raymond> am I missing something in the upgrade
If I remember correctly, Debian installed a traditional lpd style
system by default (the lpr package) for me. This system disables
remote printing by default. Since I no longer use this system I can't
remember how to turn on remote printing, but it had something to do
with a file named something like /etc/lpd.allow or some such
file....look in /usr/share/doc/lpr for some clues.
Please tell what printing system you use. (Try something like dpkg -l
'lp*').
Cheers!
Shyamal
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Subject:
Re: Exim + Procmail + Cyrus
From:
"David Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:12:22 -0500
To:
"Xavier Bestel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks a bunch, that got it.
This procmail thing is extremely cool.
- David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Xavier Bestel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Exim + Procmail + Cyrus
Yes, I've run into this. I remember cyrdeliver doesn't like the "From "and
header, so I solved it by adding this to the top of .procmailrc:
:0 f
| formail -I "From "
I think it'll work better.
Xav
Le dim 01/12/2002 à 20:19, David Ellis a écrit :
First off I'm a relative Debian Newbie, but I've been using Linux, Unix
IWindows Systems for in excess of 13 years. General rule of thumb, assume
ofknow nothing :)
Anyhoo, I've got a pretty sweet exim + cyrus configuration going and I'm
happy with it - so I thought I'd plug procmail into it and do some nifty
filtering.
My .procmailrc is as follows:
SHELL="/bin/sh"
DELIVERMAIL="/usr/sbin/cyrdeliver"
LOGFILE="$HOME/.maillog"
IMAP="$DELIVERMAIL -e -q -m user.david"
LOGABSTRACT="all"
VERBOSE=ON
:0
|$IMAP
This results in a procmail error when it executes cyrdeliver to the tune
can"Invalid Message Header". I've ensured that the user account in question
therun cyrdeliver (so it's not a permissioning issue).
Has anyone successfully set this up? Any pointers possible templates for
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Thanks!
David
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Subject:
Re: dhclient problems
From:
Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
01 Dec 2002 16:26:07 -0600
To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Robert" == Robert J Lynn, <Robert> writes:
Robert> When trying to have dhclient detect settings via DHCP
Robert> during setup, this fails. "No response
Robert> recieved."... However, Win2k and WinXP seem to be able to
Robert> detect the settings right fine, so I tried entering the
Robert> parameters manually (my IP rarely changes), but that
Robert> didn't work. Any ideas? -Rob
What kernel are you using? For the Debian 2.4 kernels (like 2.4.18-k7)
you need to make sure 'af_packet' is listed in /etc/modules (modprobe
it to test).
If you built your own be sure to get CONFIG_PACKET, CONFIG_FILTER in
somehow (module, or built in) to use the ISC dhcp clients.
Cheers!
Shyamal
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Subject:
MSN Messenger SERVER for linux?
From:
"David Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:24:39 -0500
To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Anyone know if there is an open source version of the Micrsoft Messenger
server?
I was thinking of setting one up, sort of like the one offered with exchange
2000.........
Thanks!
David
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