I'm only one person on this list that isn't going to bother trying to decypher this HTML message to see what you are complaining about.
Sending a message to a linux mailing list in HTML format isn't the brightest thing I've ever seen. If it's any indication of the content, I suspect that others will send this to /dev/null as well. On Tue, 13 May 1997, Jim wrote: > <HTML> > Speaking as someone who has spent lots of spare time over the last few > weeks trying to install Debian > <BR>w/ only limited success, I feel I have earned the right to criticize > you Debian folks for not bothering > <BR>to test your stuff. > > <P>Did the basic diskette installation that I got from ftp.kernel.org's > mirror site. > <BR>And here is a short list of the stuff that's broken straight out of > the box: > > <P>1) eepro module does not work w/ Intel Ether Express Pro/10+ (It worked > fine when I compiled it under > <BR>Red Hat) > <BR>2) There is no help available at install time for what options are > valid and/or required for each ethernet > <BR>card. I had to guess the options. Red Hat doesn't suffer > from this problem, why should Debian? > <BR>3) Using a mirror and installing via ftp, I allowed the default selections > to be installed. THE DEFAULTS FAIL!! > <BR>Here is a complete list of DEFAULT packages which won't install right > out the box and other mistakes: > > <P>-inn - requires pgp, but since that's not available, not even as a stub, > on US servers, it refuses to install > <BR> AND, the package description makes no mention of > the pgp issue or which servers to get it from or > <BR> the readme that you carefully put into the bottom > drawer of a locked filing cabinet on a planet orbiting > <BR> alpha-centuri :) (Gratuitous Hitchhiker's Guide > reference) > <BR>-debianutils_1.4.deb - predependency prob. requires libc5>=5.4.17-1 > but only 5.4.13-1 installed > <BR>-base-passwd_2.0-3.deb - predep. probl. requires libreadline2>=2.1 > but only 2.0.1-2 installed > <BR>-libc6_2.0.3-2 - predep. probl. requires ldso>=1.8.10-1 but only 1.8.5-1 > installed > <BR>-hostname_2.01.deb - predep. probl. requires libc5>-5.4.17-1 but only > 5.4.13-1 installed > <BR>-netstd_2.13-1 - predep. probl. requires netbase>=2.08 but only 2.06-1 > installed > <BR>-perl_5.003.07-10 - overwrites files > /usr/lib/perl5/i386-linux/5.00307/auto/Socket/Socket.so > Socket.bs and > <BR> Config.pm, Find.pm, Basename.pm, Path.pm...etc. > which are also in package perl-base. It says that it succeds > <BR> because --force enabled. However, I wonder > what damage is being done. > <BR>-perl-base - predep. probl. requires libdl1 to be configured but it > can't possibly be since this is the DEFAULT and > <BR> first package installation. > <BR>-psnfss & texpsfnt conflict but --force overcomes this conflict. > What damage is being done here?? > <BR>-The tex setup produces so much output it's useless. > <BR>-teTeX is NOT the default package, yet, its installation information > indicates that it is the successor to all other > <BR> Tex's and is recommended. Why is the teTeX > stuff not installed by default?? > <BR>-xserver-vga16 allows you to install w/o requiring all the essential > fonts. It fails during configuration when it goes > <BR> looking for its 75dpi fonts. I overcame this > by going back and installing every X font package in sight. Still, > it's > <BR> BROKEN! I already sent mail to package > maintainer. > > <P>4) dselect uses the power of perl to create an installation package > worthy of DOS shell script. Basically, the > <BR> logic chart of dselect is: > > <P> DEPENDENCIES SATISFIED -- YES -- > install > <BR> | > <BR> | -- NO -- > THROW A FIT > > <P>The proper way to do things is to keep pitching stuff that can't > immediately > be installed to the end of the list so that > <BR>prerequisites have a chance to be installed and configured. Should > be easy enough to do. At least you picked the > <BR>right tool :) > > <P>5) Any upgrades of dselect or dpkg should be done FIRST so that other > packages which depend on the installation > <BR> program knowing what is going on won't fail. > > <P>6) dselect uses perl to install. However any problems during a > perl installation (as happened to me previously ) and dselect now fails. > This is BAD, VERY BAD. dselect and dpkg are supposed to be the means > to correct installation > <BR>problems and they should not be affected by installation problems, > especially perl which is non-trivial. I would suggest a > <BR>protected copy of perl be included with upgrades of dselect. > > <P>7) Debian should really request that their description on www.linux.org > be changed to: > > <P>"Debian is maintained by 120 voluteers who can't be bothered to test > their stuff." > > <P>And you may think this is cruel, but Microsoft is still winning and > I have a bad feeling about Red Hat.</HTML> > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > --Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . 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