On Thursday 09 June 2005 03:18 pm, Jacob S wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:34:53 -0400
>
> Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 09 June 2005 12:55 pm, David Jardine wrote:
> > > be getting out of hand :)
> > > us a lecture on top posting sometime soon?  It seems to
> > > Isn't some authoritative voice on the list going to give
> >
> > My point (with all do respect and no insult intended): You may not
>
> s/do/due? :-)        ^^
>
> > like top  posting, but all of us on the 'net, even in technical groups
> > like this, are  dealing more and more with newcomers to the Internet.
> > We can try to educate  them, but things are changing.  Maybe instead
> > of judging others and expecting  everyone to conform, we should *ALL*
> > keep an open mind, otherwise we might  find others are being as
> > judgemental of us as we are of others.
>
> I've been on this mailing list for at least 3 years now. In that time
> and on other mailing lists before it, I have seen a lot of people say
> the same thing you said in your last paragraph. Yet I still see a lot of
> people tell newbies what the correct netiquette is for this list and a
> lot of newbies learn how to do it correctly.
>
> So, my point is that I have not seen any evidence to back up your
> claims and say that we need to change our style on this list. Newbies
> seem to be as capable of learning things as any other user. I am not
> saying we should flame anybody that does top post, but I do not think we
> need to stop educating them, either.

I didn't say we have to change our style, but we can be more accepting.  I'm 
on a good number of mailing lists, some tech oriented, some not.  I've also 
learned something amazing in life: it is our choice if something bothers us 
or not.  In other words, we can get over it, or just let it by.  If we are 
bothered by it, it is because we make a choice, consciously or unconsciously, 
to be bothered by something.  My point is that as long as we keep judging 
others, we should expect to be judged as well.  It's not a flame, but it is a 
valid point.  If top posting is such an issue, we can always send out a 
weekly FAQ or ADVICE post, but we also have to remember there will always be 
newbies and there will always be people who have free will and don't do 
everything the way we want them to.

> Just my $0.02.

Mine, as well.

I didn't expect everyone to agree with me.  I was just presenting my point of 
view, since this particular Pandora's Box was opened.

Hal


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