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> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2004 : Issue 938 > > Today's Topics: > Re: perl module --> debian package n [ John > Harrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > Re: Debian Linux on a mac? [ Joerg > Rossdeutscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: Sid and security [ John > Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > Re: perl module --> debian package n [ "Jacob S." > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: OT: merge two files [ Nicholas > Lativy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: how to connect two PC's with a c [ Bram > Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: Debian Linux on a mac? [ "Jacob S." > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: how to connect two PC's with a c [ Christoph > Wegscheider <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: how to connect two PC's with a c [ John > Floren <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: how to connect two PC's with a c [ Bram > Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: apt-get GDM [ Nicholas > Lativy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > apt-get GDM [ "Craig > Dunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: how to connect two PC's with a c [ Jon > Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > Re: apt-get GDM [ Amir Tal > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > "Hide all windows" icon broken in si [ Nitebirdz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: TV-Karte unter debian [ Jon > Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:25:14 -0400 > From: John Harrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: perl module --> debian package name > > Sometime in August Jacob S. assaulted the keyboard > and produced: > > | I agree it can be a little confusing at times. > | > | A quick search on packages.debian.org for > "date::format" returned the > | following: > | > | usr/share/man/man3/Date::Format.3pm.gz - > interpreters/libtimedate-perl > > So is this the defacto way of doing this? The only > reason I ask is because > 'apt-cache search date::format' returned nothing for > me. I've migraged all > of our servers over to Debian, and I'm very pleased > with it. Though, I'm > not yet familiar with all of the nuances. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > | /"\ > > john harrold | \ / ASCII ribbon > campaign > jmh at member.fsf.org | X against HTML mail > > the most useful idiot | / \ > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > What difference does it make to the dead, the > orphans, > and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is > brought > under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name > of > liberty and democracy? > --Gandhi > ---------------------------------------------------------- > gpg --keyserver keys.indymedia.org --recv-key > F65A739E > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:03:53 +0200 > From: Joerg Rossdeutscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Debian Linux on a mac? > > Hi, > > Am Donnerstag, den 19.08.2004, 21:33 -0400 schrieb > S.D.A.: > > I'm going to attempt installing Sarge on my > brother's G3 beige (old world), this > > weekend. Were you able to boot directly from the > cd, or did you need to boot > > from floppy? Any pointers welcome -- I'm in the > process of reading the Debian > > Mac install instructions, but pointers always > welcome. > > Beige G3 firmware is kind of broken. Some people > claim to have managed > to boot from it - I didn't manage in days, like most > users. There is a > small extension program for Mac OS 9 to boot linux. > Sorry, forgot the > name... You can boot Mac OS 9, but nearly > immediately it hands over to > linux. > > This is not pretty, but IMHO the best way to handle > linux on a beige G3. > Interesting enough this problem does not occur on > *older* machines, I am > also running some 7200 and 7600. Newer machines > aren't affected anyway, > since they are "newworld". > > Bye, Ratti > > -- > -o) fontlinge | Fontmanagement for Linux | > Schriftenverwaltung in Linux > /\\ http://freshmeat.net/projects/fontlinge/ > _\_V http://www.gesindel.de > https://sourceforge.net/projects/fontlinge/ > > ATTACHMENT part 3.2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:09:57 -0500 > From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Sid and security > > Oliver Elphick writes: > > The patch must be limited to the security > features. > > > Nothing from sid (unstable) ever goes into woody > (stable), only into > > sarge (testing) which is soon to become the new > stable. > > I don't see that he implied otherwise. > -- > John Hasler > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) > Dancing Horse Hill > Elmwood, WI > > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:08:49 -0500 > From: "Jacob S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: perl module --> debian package name > > On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:25:14 -0400 > John Harrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sometime in August Jacob S. assaulted the keyboard > and produced: > > > > | I agree it can be a little confusing at times. > > | > > | A quick search on packages.debian.org for > "date::format" returned > > the| following: > > | > > | usr/share/man/man3/Date::Format.3pm.gz - > > interpreters/libtimedate-perl > > > > So is this the defacto way of doing this? The only > reason I ask is > > because'apt-cache search date::format' returned > nothing for me. I've > > migraged all of our servers over to Debian, and > I'm very pleased with > > it. Though, I'm not yet familiar with all of the > nuances. > > No, it's simply one way of doing things. When > searching for package > names, I prefer apt-cache search to using the web > interface. When > searching for filenames in packages that are already > installed, I like > dpkg -S. It looks like apt-file would replace my use > of the website > above, I just haven't played with it yet. > > As I said though, those are just my preferences. > There's almost always 3 > or 4 ways of doing things in Debian. > > HTH, > Jacob > > -- > GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 > > Random .signature #64: > Windows: > > 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > patch to an 8 bit > operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > microprocessor, written > by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > competition. > > Linux: > > The ultimate windows patch. http://www.linux.org/ > > ATTACHMENT part 5.2 application/pgp-signature > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:11:55 +0100 > From: Nicholas Lativy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT: merge two files > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:42:15AM -0500, Kent West > wrote: > > I want to merge the contents of one file with the > bottom X lines of > > another. This works: > > > > cat file1 > EndResultFile && tail +20 file2 >> > EndResultFile > > > > Is this adequate, or is there a better way to do > it? > > Well I don't know if it's "better" but you could do > it in less > characters if you use a command group, ie > > (cat file1 && tail +20 file2) > EndResultFile > > Also doesn't "+20" give you line 20 and everything > after it? So for > "the bottom X lines" you would want "-n X" or simply > "-X". > > -- > Nicholas Lativy > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lativy > > ATTACHMENT part 6.2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc > ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:43:43 +0200 > From: Bram Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-users mailing list > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: how to connect two PC's with a > cross-over ethernet cable? > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 15:25, Paolo Alexis Falcone > wrote: > [...] > > > But how can I save my current settings so I can > quickly restore them? > > > > /etc/network/interfaces is your solution. > > Thanks > > But can you break it down for me please? > > At the moment I have several files in /etc/networks > (I have been messing > around with etherconf too much I'm afraid): > --- /etc/network/interfaces --- > ### etherconf DEBCONF AREA. DO NOT EDIT THIS AREA OR > INSERT TEXT BEFORE IT. > auto lo eth0 > > iface lo inet loopback > > iface eth0 inet dhcp > > ### END OF DEBCONF AREA. PLACE YOUR EDITS BELOW; > THEY WILL BE PRESERVED. > --- EOF --- > > [/etc/network/interfaces.1 and > /etc/network/interfaces.3 are identical > to /etc/network/interfaces ] > > --- /etc/network/interfaces.2 --- > ### etherconf DEBCONF AREA. DO NOT EDIT THIS AREA OR > INSERT TEXT BEFORE IT. > auto lo eth0 > > iface lo inet loopback > > iface eth0 inet static > address > netmask > broadcast > > ### END OF DEBCONF AREA. PLACE YOUR EDITS BELOW; > THEY WILL BE PRESERVED. > --- EOF --- > > --- /etc/network/interfaces.4 --- > ### etherconf DEBCONF AREA. DO NOT EDIT THIS AREA OR > INSERT TEXT BEFORE IT. > auto lo eth0 eth1 > > iface lo inet loopback > > iface eth0 inet dhcp > > iface eth1 inet dhcp > > ### END OF DEBCONF AREA. PLACE YOUR EDITS BELOW; > THEY WILL BE PRESERVED. > --- EOF --- > > --- /etc/network/interfaces.pre-etherconf --- > # Used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8). See the > interfaces(5) manpage or > # /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples for more > information. > --- EOF --- > [This obviously doesn't do much but I included it to > provide as much > info as I could gather.] > > I suppose I will have to create a file > /etc/network/interfaces that > contains: > --- new /etc/network/interfaces -- > auto lo eth0 > > iface lo inet loopback > > iface eth0 inet static > 192.168.0.1 > 255.255.255.0 > > iface ppp0 inet ppp > provider dsl-provider > --- EOF -- > > So I can call ifup eth0 for the "cross-over > connection" and ifup ppp0 > for the PPPoE connection I have configured already. > > Does this look right? > > TIA > -- > # Mertens Bram "M8ram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Linux User #349737 # > # SuSE Linux 8.2 (i586) kernel 2.4.20-4GB > i686 512MB RAM # > # 9:19pm up 14 days 11:09, 11 users, load > average: 0.10, 0.04, 0.01 # > > ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:13:12 -0500 > From: "Jacob S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Debian Linux on a mac? > > On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:03:53 +0200 > Joerg Rossdeutscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 19.08.2004, 21:33 -0400 schrieb > S.D.A.: > > > I'm going to attempt installing Sarge on my > brother's G3 beige (old > > > world), this weekend. Were you able to boot > directly from the cd, or > > > did you need to boot from floppy? Any pointers > welcome -- I'm in the > > > process of reading the Debian Mac install > instructions, but pointers > > > always welcome. > > > > Beige G3 firmware is kind of broken. Some people > claim to have managed > > to boot from it - I didn't manage in days, like > most users. There is a > > small extension program for Mac OS 9 to boot > linux. Sorry, forgot the > > name... You can boot Mac OS 9, but nearly > immediately it hands over to > > linux. > > Not the original poster, but you've sparked my > curiosity now. > > Does this extension only work for Beige G3s or does > it also work with > B&W G3s? Does it require v. 9 or will it work with > 8.6 too? > > Oh, and do you have links to the extension or > sources for the same? > > Thanks, > Jacob > > -- > GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 > > Random .signature #46: > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted > before the changes will > take effect. Reboot now? [OK] > > ATTACHMENT part 8.2 application/pgp-signature > ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:11:25 +0200 > From: Christoph Wegscheider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: how to connect two PC's with a > cross-over ethernet cable? > > Bram Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2.) Buy a hub/switch (~ EUR 20+) connect > everything to the switch and > >> 2.1) either setup the Desktop as Router like > above or > >> 2.2) open seperatly PPP connection from the > Desktop and Notebook > >> > >> +------+ +-------+ > >> Modem ----------- |Switch| ------------ |Desktop| > >> +------+ +-------+ > >> | > >> | > >> | > >> | > >> +------+ > >> |Laptop| > >> +------+ > >> > >> > >> Of course the second methode is more flexible if > more Computers are > >> likely to be connected in the future. > > > > Solution 2.2 is more flexible, but doesn't it > require two IP-adressess > > from the ISP? If so this option isn't suitable > for me without getting a > > more expensive contract with my ISP. > Not if you connect only one computer at a time. > Otherwise you are right. > > Btw. you could also achieve the second topology > (star) if you let the > desktop "emulate" a switch. This can be done with > bridgeing: a virtual > network dev is defined with an IP address in the > same subnet as modem > and laptop (the real network devs have no IP). All > iincoming traffic > from eth0 is passed to eth1 and vice verse. > (Simplified) > > > Christoph > > ATTACHMENT part 10 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:08:26 -0700 > From: John Floren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Bram Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: debian-users mailing list > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: how to connect two PC's with a > cross-over ethernet cable? > > Bram Mertens wrote: > > > I suppose I will have to create a file > /etc/network/interfaces that > > contains: > > --- new /etc/network/interfaces -- > > auto lo eth0 > > > > iface lo inet loopback > > > > iface eth0 inet static > > 192.168.0.1 > > 255.255.255.0 > > > > iface ppp0 inet ppp > > provider dsl-provider > Here is what I would do if I had two computer > connected by crossover and > a ppp connection to the internet: > /etc/network/interfaces: > auto lo eth0 > > iface lo inet loopback > > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.1.1 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > broadcast 192.168.1.255 > > This has worked for me in the past. > Good Luck > > Digi > -- > http://nuwen.net/~digi/cluster > Hmmm ... an arrogant bouquet with a subtle > suggestion of POLYVINYL > CHLORIDE ... > > ATTACHMENT part 11 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:16:41 +0200 > From: Bram Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-users mailing list > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: how to connect two PC's with a > cross-over ethernet cable? > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 22:08, John Floren wrote: > > Bram Mertens wrote: > [...] > > Here is what I would do if I had two computer > connected by crossover and > > a ppp connection to the internet: > > /etc/network/interfaces: > > auto lo eth0 > > > > iface lo inet loopback > > > > iface eth0 inet static > > address 192.168.1.1 > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > broadcast 192.168.1.255 > > Why do I need to add the broadcast address? > > Can the ppp0 configuration be left out because I can > use pon > dsl-provider to achie the same as ifup ppp0 in my > example? > > TIA > -- > # Mertens Bram "M8ram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Linux User #349737 # > # SuSE Linux 8.2 (i586) kernel 2.4.20-4GB > i686 512MB RAM # > # 10:13pm up 14 days 12:03, 11 users, load > average: 0.17, 0.10, 0.08 # > > ATTACHMENT part 12 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:55:44 +0100 > From: Nicholas Lativy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: apt-get GDM > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 08:18:47PM +0000, Craig Dunn > wrote: > > Is it possible to tell apt-get to download all of > the necessary deb files > > first and then perform the installation only when > it has what it needs? > > Yes, apt-get has the "--download-only" option for > this. From 'man apt-get': > > -d, --download-only > Download only; package files are only > retrieved, not unpacked or > installed. Configuration Item: > APT::Get::Download-Only. > > Although I think that the default behaviour is what > you need anyway. If > I recall correctly by default apt-get does all the > downloading first > anyway so it will stop when your connection cuts out > with an error but > you can then just run the command again and it will > pick up where it > left off. > > Hope that helped. :-) > > -- > Nicholas Lativy > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lativy > > ATTACHMENT part 12.2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc > ATTACHMENT part 13 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:18:47 +0000 > From: "Craig Dunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: apt-get GDM > > Hi, > > I'v recently installed Debian on my system. The > current version of GDM that > I have is 2.2 and I would like to upgrade it to 2.4. > I understand that I > can use apt-get to do this. The trouble is I only > have a dialup Internet > connection, which gets cut off after 2 hours. And > I'm guessing that > downloading all of the necessary GDM files will take > more than 2 hours. So, > if I start the download process using apt-get and it > gets cut-off halfway > through, will I be able to continue the installation > process once I > reconnect to the Internet? I'm worried that if the > installation process > stops halfway, my Linux system will be messed up. > > Is it possible to tell apt-get to download all of > the necessary deb files > first and then perform the installation only when it > has what it needs? > > Thanks for any advice, > > Craig > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN > Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > ATTACHMENT part 14 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:37:33 +0100 > From: Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Debian List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: how to connect two PC's with a > cross-over ethernet cable? > > On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:06:27 +0200, Bram Merte > > I have a cross-over ethernet-cable and I would > like to be able to > > configure both computers so I can switch between > the current setup and > > the necessary configuration to transfer files > across the cross-over > > ethernet cable. > > I am presuming that you want to use the same > interface for this > specific purpose as one which is already employed > for some other > purpose currently. > > > How do I know which files contain the current > configuration? > > /etc/network/interfaces contains the network > configurations > > > How do I configure my laptop to be able to use the > cross-over > > connection? > > An entry like the following would do > > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.3.1 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > ..but presumably would need to replace an existing > entry for your > current use. Switching manually between the two is > possible by > commenting out one of them and issuing > /etc/init.d/networking restart. > However that is a fairly longwinded approach. > > A better solution is to use logical interface names > aka interface > aliasing. The details are described in manpage > interfaces(5) ; the > mapping 'eth0-home' would probably be what you > wanted for transfers, > and 'eth0-work' for normal usage (or whatever you > currently have). > > Sorry I can't be more precice about the mechanics > here because I > haven't used it personally, but I think this is > probably the simplest > approach which doesn't involve spending more money. > > -- > Jon Dowland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ATTACHMENT part 15 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:40:57 -0400 > From: Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Craig Dunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: apt-get GDM > > -d Download only - do NOT install or unpack > archives > > besides, even if it dies half way, apt will know how > to continue from > where is stopped > according to the files in /var/cache/apt/archives. > > ============================================= > Best Regards,Amir Tal > Whatsup, Hebrew linux portal. > http://www.whatsup.org.il, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > icq : 15748705,cell : 001-646-296-3835. > ============================================= > > > > Craig Dunn wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'v recently installed Debian on my system. The > current version of > > GDM that I have is 2.2 and I would like to upgrade > it to 2.4. I > > understand that I can use apt-get to do this. The > trouble is I only > > have a dialup Internet connection, which gets cut > off after 2 hours. > > And I'm guessing that downloading all of the > necessary GDM files will > > take more than 2 hours. So, if I start the > download process using > > apt-get and it gets cut-off halfway through, will > I be able to > > continue the installation process once I reconnect > to the Internet? > > I'm worried that if the installation process stops > halfway, my Linux > > system will be messed up. > > > > Is it possible to tell apt-get to download all of > the necessary deb > > files first and then perform the installation only > when it has what it > > needs? > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > Craig > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN > Messenger today! > > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 16 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:36:26 -0500 > From: Nitebirdz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: "Hide all windows" icon broken in sid's > GNOME? > > Hi, > > I'm running Debian unstable, and since a few weeks > back the "hide all > windows" button in GNOME does appear to work but it > shows a broken icon. > In other words, it is there, but it only shows a > blank document with a > red x inside instead of the old icon. I already > tried moving the gnome > and gconf configuration files out of the way so they > could be recreated > but nothing changed. Any ideas? Is this a bug? I > searched in Google, > although perhaps I didn't find the right combination > of keywords to find > the solution to this. > > > ---------------- > Nitebirdz > http://www.sacredchaos.com/ > > ATTACHMENT part 17 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:42:16 +0100 > From: Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Debian List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: TV-Karte unter debian > > On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:55:24 +0200, dirk weckerlei > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hallo Liste! > > Guten tag - mein deutch ist nicht so gut, aber bitte > schreiben auf > english fur debian-user. Du kannst schrieben auf > deutch fur > debian-user-german. > > But - to answer as best as I can in english - I'd > recommend checking > to see if your card is supported under video4linux2 > at bytesex.org and > grabbing the v4l2 patches if so. Build a fresh > kernel with those. For > applications I'd recommend tvtime. > > > -- > Jon Dowland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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