For the last time: I am saying that apt-get install should not immediately
start a service, and it should not install the startup links in /etc/rc?.d.

I could give a rats @$$ about what is Debian's base system.  Those aren't
installed with apt-get install anyway.  I could give two $#1+$ about
whether or not an OS is secure out of the box.  This is not a question
about OSes, it's a question about installing packages that install 
services.

Please don't try to steer me off course, and then say I keep changing
my position.  It's simply not polite, and rather silly.

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On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 06:05:18PM +1000, CaT wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 12:40:11AM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 10:26:38PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 09:02:54PM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, I guess anyone can say something like "Four years without a remote
> > > > hole in the default install!" on the internet, where anyone is free to
> > > 
> > > that quote is pure marketing.  
> > 
> > Marketing?  OpenBSD has about as much of an adversising dept as does 
> > Debian.  None.
> 
> You don't need a marketing department to practice the 'art' of marketing.
> 
> > > they don't count the recent ftpd remote
> > > root hole in that `four years' because they stopped activitating ftpd
> > > in the default install of OpenBSD 2.7, which was released only a very
> > > short time before the hole was discovered.
> > 
> > And so the default install was not vulnerable to remote attacks.  Like
> 
> Debian's default install is not vulnerable to attacks either. Your point?
> 
> -- 
> CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])               *** Jenna has joined the channel.
>                               <cat> speaking of mental giants..
>                               <Jenna> me, a giant, bullshit
>                               <Jenna> And i'm not mental
>                                       - An IRC session, 20/12/2000
> 
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