Niltze! On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Thomas Goirand <z...@debian.org> wrote: > > On 05/07/2013 08:16 PM, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > > On 2013-05-06 17:19, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> In this thread: > >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2013/05/msg00002.html > >> > >> we have been discussing how we could have cloud-init in the Debian cloud > >> images. > >> > >> One solution is to enable wheezy-backports by default in the images. > >> Though there are some concerns that we shouldn't do that, as this isn't > >> the default in Debian right now. > > > > If it's just to pull the package in during image build, is that a > > particular problem? > > The problem that was raised is that some users might want to do security > updates, which then wouldn't be possible. > > A typical workflow would be: > - A user uses a pre-build Debian official image, then customizes it > - He uses the cloud, then decides to upgrade his image > - He then makes a snapshot of the image using the cloud API > > If we don't provide a way so that cloud-init is also upgraded, then > we have a problem (I'm not saying there will be a problem on > cloud-init, but we should always prepare for the worst). > > > > >> The other solution would be to add cloud-init in the next point release > >> of Wheezy. We all know that there's some strong rules that we shouldn't > >> add new things in the stable distribution, even more after the freeze. > > > > I assume you mean after the release? It's a little late to worry about > > being after the freeze. > > A "than" is missing. I meant to write "even more than after the freeze". > > > If cloud-init is so mission-critical, why was this never noticed or > > raised *before* the release? > > It was. But it took some time to get it into SID. According to the > PTS, Charles Plessy uploaded it to Experimental in the 23rd of > June. Then Julien Danjou uploaded it into SID last January, but it > stayed in the NEW queue for a very long time. > > The main problem is that the interest for the cloud and building > an official Debian cloud image is fairly recent. There is more and > more people (including DDs) interested in it, and not having > cloud-init in main is quite annoying for those of us who do desire > to build cloud images. > > Anyway, I don't think that digging in the history of the package > will help solving anything, so let's stop! :) > > We (at least Julien and I) thought it would be ok to use backports, > but on the 2nd thought, it doesn't seem to be the best solution. > I already explained that activating backports by default isn't > desirable: since that isn't the default for Wheezy. The other > argument is that cloud-init would be the only package which > would be needed from backports. Which is why I wonder what the > release team opinion was, and if we could do something about it. > > If there is a strong *no* from the release team, i guess we could > live with the backports solution, though it is my opinion that it > would be best if we could make an exception in this case. > If staging cloud-init in backports for a few months is one of the > things who can ease the decision of the release team, I think > it could be a good temporary solution as well. If there are other > things which could ease the decision, let us know. Waiting for a > full release cycle (eg: 2 years) to get cloud-init in main would > IMO not be desirable. > > Thomas Goirand (zigo) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cloud-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51891d73.3030...@debian.org >
" interest for the cloud and building an official Debian cloud image is fairly recent. There is more and more people (including DDs) interested in it, and not having cloud-init in main is quite annoying for those of us who do desire to build cloud images." I agree with Zigo: add cloud-init in the next Wheezy point release. It is *critical* to leverage the momentum Debian is experiencing *now* in the commercial (enterprises and SMBs) rapid adoption of the cloud computing paradigm. Let us not lose it. Best Professional Regards. -- Jose R R http://www.metztli-it.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM Lotus Symphony supported on GNU/Linux, Mac OS, and Windows. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daylight Saving Time in USA & Canada ends: Sunday, November 03 2013 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cam12q5rasnhzchjhv_u_pn1we0t_-0lcq4um5+my9w5s6og...@mail.gmail.com
