On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 08:50:04AM +0100, Markus Koschany wrote:
> On Fri, 23. Nov 21:44 Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 09:43:16PM +0100, Markus Koschany wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > one month ago i have started a similar thread on debian-devel-games but
> > > haven't got much feedback although at least one team member replied and
> > > supported my proposal. [1]
> > > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-games/2012/10/msg00062.html
> > > 
> > > My original idea was to track orphaned games, incorporate them into the
> > > games team and eventually remove them if nobody is interested in
> > > maintaining these games. I think i have identified some candidates and
> > > therefore would like to ask the qa-list for advice and whether it makes
> > > sense to pursue the idea.
> > 
> > If you want to adopt orphaned packages, go ahead.  If you want to maintain 
> > the
> > packages in the games team, that's your choice.  But I don't see the point 
> > in
> > incorporating the packages into the games team if it is still uncertain who 
> > is
> > going to maintain them there.
> 
> That's a misunderstanding. Of course nobody would join a team and
> dump some random packages on it before talking to the people who are
> involved. 

Sounds reasonable.

> 
> Therefore the idea was to track orphaned games, to find out if someone is
> interested in maintaining them within the team and if not to remove the 
> package.

It is not clear to me what you mean by "to track ... to find out ...".  Aren't
orphaned packages already "tracked" in Debian ? Can't anyone interested already
find them there ?

> Besides the idea stemmed from the fact that some of those packages were 
> orphaned
> by the Games Team and that they should have been removed already three years 
> ago.
> 

I guess nobody so far has found the time and interest to submit RM bugs for
them.

> [..]
> 
> > > As far as i understand the removal process [2], ftp-masters need some
> > > sort of reference for such a decision. I hope this thread gathers enough
> > > feedback and can later be considered as such a reference.
> > > [2] http://wiki.debian.org/ftpmaster_Removals
> > 
> > I think it's OK to gather a few facts and decide to submit RM bugs if you're
> > convinced that removing the packages is the right choice without much 
> > feedback
> > gathering.
> 
> Sounds good. But now i'm wondering, why not making the next step and remove 
> packages
> automatically which have been orphaned for more than two years and also have a
> low popcon value for example?

Random DDs like myself cannot remove packages.  But you could write a script
that produces RM bug reports you read before submitting them.  The criteria
should obviously also include checking for reverse dependencies.

On the other hand, maybe ftpmasters are interested in a tool for selecting the
packages to be removed, to do the actual removals without the RM bugs.  You may
want to check this with them.

> If not much feedback gathering is required
> this could be an automatism at the beginning of each release cycle.

Or daily, so that the RM bugs are submitted throughout the entire release
cycle.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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