On 03/04/2017 05:13 AM, Brian May wrote: > Thomas Goirand <z...@debian.org> writes: > >> And I'm not even addressing yet the horrible git-dpm troubles, how >> many more years the team is forcibly burying every contributor into. > > There is discussion on changing this. The consensus seems to be we > should wait until after the next release however.
Why waiting? The freeze is typically a time of very low activity and low disturbance. That's a perfect moment for doing the switch. It took *years* to switch from SVN to Git. It's taking *years* to get out of git-dpm. How many centuries until the team realize that others are using CI/CD, automated testing, and such, and team member accept things changing fast on the right direction? There's always resistance for change in this team. I fought this for a while... Then I decided it was better to just give-up, and maintain packages elsewhere. I very much welcome anyone packaging Python modules to push them to the OpenStack team, and enjoy the infrastructure, rather than moving things on the opposite direction. >> Plus Alioth is a security nightmare, and it's loaded so much that even >> a simple git push can take hours (real life experience). > > I have not noticed this. Maybe the repositories I have dealt with are > small and simple. The issue isn't about having big or complicated repositories. When you do intensive packaging from early in the morning up to late in the afternoon (ie: the usual office schedule), and work on a dozen of package per day, then you start feeling very bad about using Alioth. It's clunky and slow. At any given time of the day, it has a load of at least 5 to 10. And the I/O is quite loaded as well. Because of Alioth's complexity, Alioth's admins now refuse to use a distributed system, and so Alioth is a single machine. Often, cron jobs for the Postgress db destroy any I/O responsiveness. Or Apache is just too loaded. That's how Alioth becomes not responsive, and you begin a very frustrating experience of restarting 5 times a "git clone" operation. Not so long ago, there's been a huge issue with the RAID 6 array, and it was down for 12 days (2 weeks during which I couldn't work). So on top of this, this makes me worry for the safety of data hosted there. This doesn't stand half a millisecond compared with OpenStack infra which is distributed across multiple data centers, on different providers that are sponsoring computing power. Yes, it has issues too, but it's light-years ahead of what Alioth does. Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo)
