On September 30, 2015 6:43:09 PM EDT, "Pierre-Elliott Bécue" <be...@crans.org> wrote: >Le 1 octobre 2015 00:25:55 GMT+02:00, Ian Cordasco ><graffatcolmin...@gmail.com> a écrit : >>On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue ><be...@crans.org> >>wrote: >>> On mer. 30 sept. 2015 à 23:13:26, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >>>> [Thomas Goirand, 2015-09-30] >>>> > Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team. >>>> >>>> DPMT and PAPT to be precise, yes >>>> >>>> > is an over reaction and that it should be reverted. >>>> >>>> I talked with you many times in private about your involvement in >>the >>>> teams over last ~3 years and since I kind of forced other admins >>into >>>> accepting you, I also take all the blame for removing you. >>>> As I said in the private mail earlier today, if you still want to >>work >>>> with me, I'm happy to review / sponsor your commits in DPMT or help >>with >>>> any problems you might have with tools I wrote. >>> >>> Dear Piotr, >>> >>> Even if I'm not in the team and thus I do not decide of anything, I >>> wonder if that's an appropriate answer, regarding the initial >>trouble. >>> >>> We are currently talking about preventing Thomas to maintain his >>> packages that has DPMT as maintainer, because he uploaded something >>in >>> experimental, which is neither a release, nor a distro of any kind. >>> >>> Considering the potential trouble it'll lead to (as for an example >>it'll >>> probably send my attempt to package mailman3 to nowhere), and the >>> potential bad consequences for python team (some packages no longer >>> maintained, etc), does it worth it? >>> >>> -- >>> PEB >> >>Pierre, >> >>I'm new to the team, mailing list, etc. (honestly, I never had a >>chance to formally introduce myself to everyone) but it looks as if >>Piotr has had several instances in the past where he's had to >>discipline Thomas. I doubt this is an action that Piotr took lightly. >>Further, I doubt those packages will suddenly go unmaintained. >> >>Please continue working on mailman3, it will benefit the community far >>more than the outcome of this apparent disciplinary action. >> >>Cheers, >>Ian > >Dear Ian, > >I do not intend to stop working on it, but even if it is not the first >time (I hope no one would take such an action for one isolated >mistake), I strongly beleive that such removal from a team where mostly >anyone is supposed to be at a same level should be calmly discussed and >debated with mostly everybody of the team in order to reach a >consensus. > >This decision looks like something decided just after an aggressive >discussion about something which does not look that bad from where I >sit. > >Wouldn't taking some time to think before this removal had been a >better idea for everybody?
Not really. Speaking as one of the team's other admins (even though p1otr has taken this all on himself), I fully support the action. I agree it's unfortunate that it came to this, but I believe that, for now, it's for the best. If we're going to work as a team, then there has to be collaboration and a willingness to work within team norms. Don't just judge this one case. I believe it's best if Thomas takes a break from the team. If he's ever going to be a part of it in the future, he's going to have to be more collaborative. I'm not going to get in a long debate, but there comes a time in any volunteer group when you have to decide to cut your losses. Hopefully we get this sorted after a short break from the team. Scott K
