[Stuart Prescott, 2013-09-19] > > I don't understand the pip hate. Why don't you guys try and, you know, > > figure out *why* these tools were invented. It (for sure) is overly > > simplistic, but it's there for a reason. > > It's pretty obvious why these tools were invented -- I think everyone > appreciates the difficulties of installing and distributing software across > different platforms, particularly legacy ones with no native concept of > package management. I think it's also safe to assume that the python > packaging list is probably acutely aware of API problems in python modules > that would make it useful in virtualenvs too. > > However, we're currently in a situation where users can very easily make an > absolute mess of their set up without realising that's what they are going > to do and it then becomes Debian's user support problem. We see this on a > regular enough basis -- packages stop working and the python stackdumps show > modules with incompatible APIs being loaded from /usr/local/. (#703874 is > just one example of this that I have to hand -- I'm sure the BTS has many > more and we see a few per week like this in #debian) > > Who gets the blame for mess made? The Debian project and its developers. Who > ends up helping users clean up the mess? The Debian project and its > developers. Pip can as useful as it wants in virtualenvs but it already has > a lot of historical baggage attached to it that is mostly associated copious > amounts of time spent trying to fix the mess it makes on Debian machines. > > That's why you have pip hate. > > For better or for worse, proposals to make further use of pip carry all this > historical baggage with them. As suggested elsewhere in this thread changing > pip so that it was difficult to do things system-wide would help with this.
my thoughts exactly -- Piotr Ożarowski Debian GNU/Linux Developer www.ozarowski.pl www.griffith.cc www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: 1D2F A898 58DA AF62 1786 2DF7 AEF6 F1A2 A745 7645 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130919074621.gj12...@p1otr.com
