On 2021-07-26 17 h 55, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: > Hi > > El 26/7/21 a las 23:04, Louis-Philippe Véronneau escribió: >> On 2021-07-26 01 h 50, Alexander Wirt wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 07:59:26PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: >>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 06:19:37PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >>>>> Donald Norwood <don...@debian.org> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Debian and GitLab have been in discussion regarding an Open Source >>>>>> Partnership toward which we will jointly produce mutual promotions, >>>>>> shared stories, and announcements using both organizations press and/or >>>>>> publicity channels. >>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Out of the blue, without any more context and content, >>>> >>>> ??? >>>> >>>> "Debian" and "Gitlab" are speaking with each other >>>> since the very start of "Salsa". >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am not sure to be happy with this news. >>>> >>>> To me is the news that "press" and "marketing" are more involved. >>>> Because I assume good faith, I allow meself to focus on other stuff >>>> in (Debian) life. >>>> >>>> >>>>> To me, such a partnership is something quite stronger than sponsorship >>>>> and I'd be a bit ill-at-ease with it being done without the whole Debian >>>>> Members being consulted. >>>> >>>> Yes, a DD is allowed to represent the project. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Last but not least, what kind of data would be shared regarding how we >>>>> use gitlab in Debian? >>>> >>>> Please give the (humble) Salsa admins time to elaborate. >>>> I have no insight information about "the data", >>>> but imagine (dull??) statistics on accounts, active accounts, projects, >>>> active projects. >>>> I do trust my fellow Debian Developers to deal wisely with it. >>>> For (gory??) details I recomment to join the Salsa admin team. >>> >>> To be honest - and to my suprise - we weren't involved in this >>> discussions. We don't share any personal data and we won't do that. >>> We share rough numbers (numbers of projects, users, >>> groups, storage used), but we also do that regulary in talks (at least >>> when there were real conferences). >>> >>> Alex - Salsa Admim >> I was under the assumption the Salsa Team would somehow benefit from >> this partnership in some way (technical help, extra resources, etc.), >> but I guess it's not the case. Thanks for clarifying. >> >> I'm not sure I understand what Debian has to gain from this "Partnership". >> >> More media exposure? I don't think we really need it: the Publicity Team >> was already doing a great job. >> >> More money? Gitlab is a silver sponsor for DebConf21, but so are ARM, >> Ubuntu, HRT, Two Sigma and Globo. >> > > I think we have a misunderstanding here. It's not a partnership between > Debian and Gitlab, at least not from my point of view (and I'm member of the > Debian partners team). > They sponsor DebConf21 at Silver level and Debian is listed as "Open Source > Partner" in GitLab Commit 2021 (their conference). From this "partnership" > (we used their word, probably we shouldn't have done it), we're publishing a > micronews, and we're offered a virtual booth at their conference, that will > happen if people works on it, as usual. > > Apart from that, but related, GitLab contacted the DPL to see if we can share > some "publicity" work; they are interested in publishing an article about how > Debian uses Gitlab. We'll try to learn a bit more about their specific plans, > our focus is to write it together so the Debian needs and perspective are on > it (how we use their free software flavour, mention things that could help us > as community, etc.). The idea is to gather the info already published (on > mailing list, talks) about Salsa and Salsa CI and contact these teams to get > their views and requests, if any, to transmit them to GitLab (wether they > appear in the article or not). This work has not started yet. > > That's all. There is no formal partnership (Gitlab is not listed in > www.debian.org/partners). The partners@ alias is CC'ed in the conversations > to have the record of how the story started, for the case a partnership would > be on the table in the future (we would need a longer collaboration record, > also including other kind of support from their side at least). > > Kind regards, >
Thanks for the clarification, this makes much more sense to me now. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Louis-Philippe Véronneau ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ po...@debian.org / veronneau.org ⠈⠳⣄
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