On 9/29/19 3:14 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 5:44 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> 
>> Since Debian is also supporting projects for a good cause using their funds,
> 
> Do you have any examples of this? AFAIK we don't support development
> nor external projects using Debian funds. The only exception I can
> think of is helping Outreachy interns join the FLOSS community through
> contributing to Debian related projects.

You just gave one example yourself.

>> We already have a potential developer
> 
> I think it inappropriate to select the developers to reward with money
> in this way. Instead (once funded) the job should be posted to GCC &
> m68k related forums, FOSSJobs and other FLOSS paid work aggregators
> and the best candidate selected.

I didn't say that we have already chosen one person to do the job. Just
that there is already one potentially interested of doing it. I don't
have any particular preference in which person is supposed to do it.

>> So, would -project be willing to support our cause through Debian funds?
> 
> Traditionally, Debian has not used our funds to support development
> work, the only exceptions being Outreachy and Dunc-Tank. I think that
> we should keep it that way, no matter what the project is.

The work that we have done in Debian Ports has positively affected a lot
of other parts of Debian. We've done a lot of clean up in debian-installer,
made Rust available on all release architectures, helped fixing tons of
bugs in many Debian packages, helped Helmut with rebootstrap and made
it easier to bootstrap Debian on a new architecture like riscv64.

I don't think a one-time donation from the project is too much to ask
for it in return.

> Debian is just a small part of the FLOSS community, I think a better
> way to fund FLOSS development that companies don't want to touch would
> be a community-wide non-profit organisation (such as "The Free
> Software Endowment Inc.") focussed on this. Another option is
> crowdfunding individual projects; this has been used successfully for
> development (Bootlin's work on Allwinner hardware for example) so it
> could work for this situation too.

I actually remembered what Neil, our DPL in 2016, reported during his talk
at DebConf16. He asked the project to spend Debian money in 2015 because
it was accumulating too much. Then more money was spent and as a result, the
project had more money in 2016 than it had in 2015.

Adrian

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