On 04/02/2019 13:09, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Le 03/02/2019 à 08:38, Daniel Pocock a écrit : >> [snip] > Daniel. [snip] > Forcing people to hear them again multiples times is neither relevant > nor a sane thing.
Why make this personal? Why not say the same thing for the anti-harassment team trying to promote their political agendas with their regular "bits" emails and their talks? When the dark side of enforcement keeps rearing its ugly head over and over again, why would you deny people a right of reply? Given my previously stated commitment to free speech, I accept those emails and talks no less than I thirst for a wider variety of responses rebutting them. This all reminds me of the TSA constantly reassuring America about all the things they have to do to make people "safe". If somebody grimaces every time they see their child being patted down for their own good, would you question their sanity too? Or are they the only person who has retained their sanity? Maybe I am insane, convinced that Debian's reputation is worth fighting for when other people already gave up. This is not about me, it is about the whole community. So many people told me they are afraid to speak now because DAM keeps dossiers. I didn't join Debian to put it on my CV. I've been promoting Debian since 1997 but I never rushed to join as a DD. I only joined in 2012. I did that because I wanted to do more for our users. If I didn't seek to participate for some benefit to my reputation, why is it that people see fit to attack me personally and threaten my reputation in the way that they have? Some people also feel that the very personal replies (like yours, this[1] and this[2]) deter other people commenting and that adds to a perception that these concerns are not more widespread. Who would want to be put down by a reply like that or called a sock puppet? If this mailing list is not the right place to hold the leaders to account and if they insist on "demoting" volunteers and stubbornly refuse any meetings, even when we were all at FOSDEM on the weekend, what is the next step? Do developers need to come to DebConf in yellow vests[3]? Or do we follow the FSF/FSFE example and set up a separate "Debian Europe" for the people who don't want to waste more time arguing about what a "real" Debian Developer is? It is quite ironic that a British DPL is following in the footsteps of imperialism, taking this divide-and-conquer approach, stratifying the community, putting people into the "demotion" sin bin at the same time that his country is threatening to divide and starve[4] Ireland again. No deal == division, it is that simple, it is a threat repeated many times every day and millions of Irish people see borders and walls as an act of war. In fact, maybe a lot of the toxic problems appearing in Debian are reflections of the "adult" leadership in the world today. You can't go anywhere in the UK without hearing the "no deal" threat. Threats are the new normal. You can't go anywhere without passing signs calling on you to snitch[5] on people who look different, maybe that has subconsciously inspired some of the recent calls for dossiers on people? Yet despite the huge differences of opinion over Brexit in the British Tory party and despite the fact that all Europe can't stop laughing[6] at them, I notice that not one member of the Tory community has been expelled. If they can voice such wildly divergent opinions and work through their differences under such immense pressure, why can't Debian? Regards, Daniel 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2019/01/msg00211.html 2. https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2019/02/msg00007.html 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_vests_movement 4. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3d9d4f44-f9ad-11e8-83e5-4dc2d31f2a89 5. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/07/anti-terrorism-posters-nazi-propoganda 6. https://youtu.be/CaYTm7ip9g0
