Hello everybody, I do not think that it is possible to solve all the points of misunderstanding in a long thread of long emails.
Personally, I am totally confused by what I read, and do not understand what is even the basic stand point of each participant. May I suggest that you talk directly face to face or by videoconference ? For me, the take home message is: - Do not develop services that need you to have administrator access, because this is hard to transpose on DSA-hosted machines. - Sevices on debian.net should be hosted by Debian as much as possible. After many years as a DD, I became better at using a machine via root privileges than via collective hosting. For instance, I completely forgot how to use CPAN, and I am much more comfortable configuring apache via /etc/apache2/sites-available than via .htaccess files. Also, by my activity of a DD, I am more familiar with Testing-Unstable mixtures than with Stable. For example again, I did the apache 2.4 transition, where the Debian Apache team made a great work, and I would prefer to forget how the 2.2 systems work. I think that if I enjoyed collective hosting, I would have used it through numerus commercial providers, and would not have become a DD. At work, I would happily install software in my home directory on our CentOS servers, and would not mumble regularly that we need access to a cloud system instead. For upstream-metadata.debian.net (still broken, sorry, but I am working on it), I packaged the system (umegaya) so that others can clone it easily if needed, and will be happy to take care myself of the hosting if needed (because I jumped on apache 2.4 too quickly and blends.debian.net is running Wheezy...). But now I have the impression that self-hosting it is very unwelcome, and that the bar for setting up a .debian.net service is very high. I am not asking for an answer now since you need to clarify a lot of points together. I understand the need for transparency, but on the other hand, posting your discussion on -project gives the implicit message that the other subscribers should read it. Please take your time and consider using parallel and more casual discussion channels, to focus the postings on -project to the points of agreement that you reached, rather than the points of disagreement, which we all hope are just transient. Have a nice day, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140122232508.gb12...@falafel.plessy.net
