Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Can we please wrap part of this thread up by saying that: most of > us---i.e., the participants to this thread---would BE OK with passing > this proposal *with GR* (after the usual needed discussion time), > whereas most of us would NOT BE OK with passing this proposal *without > GR*? ACK.
Personally, I probably wouldn't vote in favor of this proposal as it is but I would fully respect the outcome if it was decided by the means of a GR, obviously :) I also think that some of the underlying problems that this proposal tries to solve exist and the subject warrants further discussion. > I haven't thought about it, but this is a very interesting observation > indeed (same on the other on the alioth.d.o mail domain). Still, it is > not clear to me how to "merge" the two proposals. I mean, while I see > a partial overlapping among the two infrastructure, I really do not > want to get away from alioth project admins the ability to decide upon > which accounts are member of their projects. > > Are you maybe suggesting that alioth account creation should be bound > to being a debian contributor? I see more harm than good in something > like that ... Yes, I think that should be the case. The fact that with the current proposal this would do more harm than good (with which I perfectly agree) is exactly the reason I find it bureaucratic and overcomplicated. For example, there's nothing special about a DC. No upload rights, no vote rights, no debian.org logins. Just an entry to a 6-month quarantine period to be able to be "promoted" to a role with actual privileges. And, well, I find it /insulting/ to our current, real, contributors to require them to get an ID check (therefore meeting a DD in real life), go through NM FD, having an AM assigned and answer questions, just to call them what they are! My PoV is that we should *lower* the barrier for new contributors, value and *acknowledge* their contributions and accept them for what they are, (limited) members of the Debian project. I feel that Alioth has served this purpose in a way. This proposal achieves nothing to that effect; quite the opposite, IMHO. OTOH and on an unrelated but relevant to the proposal, I fully agree that we should give the rights to vote and be voted to non-maintainers (artists, translators, documentation writers etc.). e.g. making T&S optional NM and tieing it to upload rights would be a simple way to do this but I haven't given any serious thought on this. Regards, Faidon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
