On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > <quote who="Don Armstrong" date="Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 12:49:08PM -0700"> > > I don't think there's any way to make that easier until we have > > more people who fit into those positions wanting to become DDs. > > It's a bit more complex than that. You, for example, were active on > -legal and in a few other non-technical ways but went through the > package maintains NM route because you had technical abilities and > because it seemed more straight forward and you didn't have to fight > for your right to become a DD via non-traditional criteria. You see > this happening a lot.
To some extent... but the main reason why I went through the process was because I wanted to participate in the development of Debian, both in packaging, and in the FOSS/community/legal aspects. It just happened that testing for the packaging was the most obvious way to go through the process, because it was the main thing that I was going to be doing (and really, the only thing that required me being a developer.[1]) > > The first few applicants going through the process in a new role > > will always take a bit longer, but they'll be helping develop the > > process too, so I'd hope that they'd be reasonably accepting of > > that. > > It is clear that our current NM process is prohibitive long for many > potential contributors (we've had good contributors give or not > bother). How many more of our potential pool do we lose by > stretching it out a bit longer and asking people to argue for the > importance of their contributions from a position of no power within > the project? I don't really have an answer to that. I'm concerned about it,[2] but there's only 24 hours in most days, and it's far more rewarding for me (and I suppose other AMs) to spend the time on people who are willing to put in the time, and are interested in working with the process and improving it. I think Marc has really hit the critical slowdowns of the current process on the head, but they basically devolve back to the standard problems that we've been fighting with forever; we're all volunteers, and we're all very busy. 1) Not enough AMs 2) NMs who aren't ready/not obviously involved/busy 3) DAMs who are very busy 4) FD who are likewise busy 5) AMs who are busy Don Armstrong 1: Well, there is a question of whether or not I can actually represent the project without being a Developer, but I'd submit that I'm no more capable of representing the project as a DD than I was as a random person. ;-) 2: Just like most of the people who are involved in the NM process or participating in this thread are... -- No amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free [...] You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. -- Robert Heinlein _Revolt in 2010_ p54 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
