On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 07:41:22PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > The point I was trying to make is that you (listmasters) would have your > priorities slightly reversed if you cared much more about a GPG-signed > message in a moderated mailing list for being off-topic than about the > hundreds of spam messages in the non-moderated ones. Both things are > list abuse.
There's a difference here. I don't think we'll ever see a story like 'OMG! There was a spam mail on debian-devel! The listmasters are teh suck0rz!!1' on Slashdot, while the original posting to debian-devel-announce could very well result in bad (and totally uninformed) press in geek mass media, thanks to Ingo and Waldi. Debian-devel-announce gets read and noticed by far more people than your average debian-devel posting/flamewar. So, I believe we should discuss what we can do to prevent similar PR nightmares in the future, apparently common sense of Debian Developers is not abundant enough to warrant this. Personally, I don't think the fact that a non-DD posted this thread is the most concerning thing. I think informative posts by non-DDs are fine on d-d-a, as long as they are on-topic and the corresponding DD takes full responsibility for the post. The questions are: Should we handle this technically by blocking further posts from abusers, as the listmasters proposed? Do we expect other DDs to post off-topic, incoherent and harmful mails to d-d-a? What if another person thinks 'the gates are open' and rants about some other DD not doing his job properly? Do we need a meta-moderator of d-d-a? Do we even care whether people/organizations outside of Debian read d-d-a and what they make of the posts? Is there a public (or paraphrasable semi-public) statement by Bastian Blank on why he sponsored Ingo's post and whether he knew Ingo is going to mail d-d-a? The right place for this discussion would be of course -project, not -devel, so I've Cc'd -project and hopefully set the M-F-T properly. Michael -- Michael Banck Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary.html
