Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:44:21AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > I don't quite agree with Branden's page that it is entirely > > the blocker's fault - there's some blame with his ISP, or maybe > > his ISP's relations with abuse.net and friends. > > I don't understand how you are inferring an assignment of blame exlusively > to the "blocker" from the language on the page[1]. The terms "blame", > "fault", and "responsibility", for example, nowhere appear in my > explanatory text.
The words "overaggressive", "unethical and discourteous" are applied to the blockers. It's close enough to assigning blame. There weren't such words for your ISP or the blacklist keepers. > > As some have mentioned, it's not always realistic (or even possible) for > > some small users to change ISPs, although I don't know if that's the case > > here. > I think it's interesting that you raise the point about consumers' lack of > choice when defending them against the accusation (which no one has made) > that they're responsible for rejecting legitimate mails from > dynamically-assigned IP addresses [...] I think it's interesting that you describe this as a defence against that accusation. It was more a note that both sides may not be able to change their mail routing. Are all emails battles? Not to me. > > So, I support Branden's general approach, but think it would be > > better to include some more active announcement. > Apart from the page itself, its linkage from my personal and Debian > homepages[3][4], and its mention in my previous DPL report[5], what did you > have in mind? I meant anyone could set up a monitor that emails addresses appearing on that page for the first time (sending from a non-blacklisted host!). If nothing else: #!/bin/bash # set CACHEFILE, FORMLETTER and ME here wget -q -O- http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/~branden/homepage/mailblock.html | \ sed -n -e '/<td>.*@/{;s/^.*>//;s/<//;s/>.*$//;p;}' | head -3 | \ while read email ; do if ! grep -q "$email" $CACHEFILE ; then mail -s 'About your reply from Branden Robinson' "$email,$ME" <$FORMLETTER echo "$email" >>$CACHEFILE fi done -- MJ Ray (slef), K. Lynn, England, email see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]