On Thu, 2025-09-11 at 10:20 +0700, Jeroen Diederen wrote: > Did you install firmware-amd-graphics?
I did not have this installed. I installed it, but it appears to have made no difference; my Xorg.0.log is the same. > > Cedar Maxwell schreef op 2025-09-10 22:49: > > On Mon, 2025-09-08 at 21:15 -0600, Stan Johnson wrote: > > > On 9/8/25 6:45 PM, Cedar Maxwell wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2025-09-07 at 13:16 -0600, Stan Johnson wrote: > > > > > On 9/5/25 6:27 PM, Cedar Maxwell wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you send your xorg.conf, etc., please? I can only > > > > > > seem > > > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > Xorg to launch by passing in video=ofonly. I can't get it > > > > > > to > > > > > > work > > > > > > with > > > > > > fbdev either. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been testing kernels on my Wallstreet using a current > > > > > Gentoo > > > > > distribution. > > > > > > > > > > I noticed this morning that mainline kernel v6.1, compiled > > > > > using > > > > > the > > > > > attached .config file, works in Gentoo, but not in Debian > > > > > SID. > > > > > > > > > > In Debian, I can see the X11 login screen, but the keyboard > > > > > and > > > > > mouse > > > > > don't respond. In Gentoo, everything works as expected. > > > > > > > > > > In Debian SID, I'm using Xfce, sysvinit-core instead of > > > > > systemd, > > > > > and > > > > > wdm > > > > > instead of lightdm. > > > > > > > > > > In Gentoo, I noticed elogind was installed; elogind was not > > > > > installed > > > > > in > > > > > Debian. Using "apt-get install elogind" to install elogind, > > > > > systemd > > > > > was > > > > > removed, as well as xserver-org and some X11-related files, > > > > > so of > > > > > course > > > > > X11 doesn't work at all now, and I'll need to restore from a > > > > > backup. > > > > > Interestingly, I'm not having similar issues with PB Lombard > > > > > or > > > > > Pismo. > > > > > > > > > > My BootX configuration is as follows (working X11 in 6.1.0 in > > > > > Gentoo): > > > > > Kernel: vmlinux-6.1.0-pmac (custom kernel, no modules) > > > > > Boot Device: /dev/sda13 (Gentoo partition) > > > > > More kernel arguments: > > > > > video=atyfb:vmode:14,cmode:32,mclk:71 > > > > > No video driver: checked > > > > > Options: > > > > > Force SCSI ON: checked > > > > > Force video settings: checked > > > > > Use specified RAM disk: not checked > > > > > > > > Checking "No video driver" appears to pass in video=ofonly. > > > > How is > > > > your performance with this configuration? Mine is borderline > > > > unusable. > > > > mclk:71 makes everything green. > > > > > > As a test, I installed the latest Debian SID on a Pismo, so I get > > > systemd and all of the badness that it has for slow, memory- > > > constrained > > > systems (my Pismo has 512 MiB memory). > > > > > > Interestingly, I don't pass "video=aty128fs:1024x768" to the > > > kernel > > > (via > > > yaboot) as I have in the past, yet it still works, though about > > > twice > > > as > > > slowly as using sysvinit (or rcinit in Gentoo). So I guess it > > > must be > > > using "video=ofonly". > > > > In your Xorg.log it should say which "video=" option you are using. > > > > > > > > My intention is to copy my Debian SID and Gentoo root filesystems > > > from > > > my Pismo to my Wallstreet, but to do this I need to have at least > > > dump > > > version 0.4b49 to reliably dump and restore filesystems on > > > powerpc. > > > So > > > I'm having to update Gentoo now on Pismo to update dump. > > > > > > # dump --version > > > ... > > > dump 0.4b47 ... > > > > > > I think checking "No video driver" but also specifying > > > "video=atyfb..." > > > will pass "video=atyfb..." to the kernel. Unfortunately, a kernel > > > regression seems to have broken previously working X11 on the > > > Wallstreet > > > (I haven't heard back from the developer yet). > > > > Maybe you or I bump the email to that developer on Friday? 7 days > > seems like a reasonable window to expect a response. > > > > > I tried installing Debian > > > SID 08/29/2025 directly on the Wallstreet by booting into the > > > installtion vmlinux and initrd.gz, but I couldn't get it to work, > > > even > > > using a serial console. If my tests are accurate, the Wallstreet > > > should > > > eventually work with the Debian rootfs that I installed on my > > > Pismo > > > (except for X11). > > > > Same experience here, though I don't have any adapters to test out > > the > > WallStreet's serial (GeoPort?). Is Linux actually capable of > > outputting serial data via this? Are you using a Mini-DIN-9 to DB- > > 9 > > adapter? Just want to confirm before I buy anything. > > > > > > > > On the Pismo, I had to install wdm and specify it as my display > > > manager > > > instead of lightdm in Debian SID 08/29/2025, otherwise I would > > > only > > > get > > > a text login. It also took me a while to install everything > > > that's > > > useful that Debian doesn't include, such as telnet, telnetd, ftp, > > > vsftpd, ifconfig, netstat, dump, etc. For now I'm leaving systemd > > > installed in Debian on the Pismo and running Debian's default > > > kernel > > > and > > > initrd (vmlinux-6.16.3+deb14-powerpc and > > > initrd.img-6.16.3+deb14-powerpc). I'll replace systemd with > > > sysvinit > > > and > > > try a custom kernel after I copy the Debian rootfs to the > > > Wallstreet. > > > > > > On the Pismo, X11 in Gentoo (with just a clock and two xterms > > > running) > > > is mostly usable and about twice as fast as using Xfce in Debian > > > SID. > > > The same setup is also usable (but just barely) in Gentoo on the > > > Wallstreet, with kernel 6.1. > > > > > > > I tried xdm, wdm, lightdm, sddm, lxdm, none work. Xorg always > > complains "No screens found". > > > > Xorg.log with no xorg conf files: > > > > [ 155.890] > > X.Org X Server 1.21.1.18 > > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > > [ 155.892] Current Operating System: Linux wallstreet 6.1.0-9- > > powerpc > > #1 Debian 6.1.27-1 (2023-05-08) ppc > > [ 155.892] Kernel command line: ramdisk_size=8192 root=/dev/sda8 > > video=atyfb:vmode:14:cmode:32 > > [ 155.893] xorg-server 2:21.1.18-2 > > (https://www.debian.org/support) > > [ 155.893] Current version of pixman: 0.44.0 > > [ 155.894] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > > to make sure that you have the latest version. > > [ 155.894] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) > > default > > setting, > > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) > > unknown. > > [ 155.897] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Sep 6 > > 19:43:03 2025 > > [ 155.906] (==) Using system config directory > > "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" > > [ 155.920] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen > > section. > > [ 155.921] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults. > > [ 155.921] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0) > > [ 155.921] (**) | |-->Monitor "<default monitor>" > > [ 155.925] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen > > Section". > > Using a default monitor configuration. > > [ 155.925] (**) Allowing byte-swapped clients > > [ 155.926] (==) Automatically adding devices > > [ 155.926] (==) Automatically enabling devices > > [ 155.926] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices > > [ 155.926] (==) Automatically binding GPU devices > > [ 155.927] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff > > [ 155.963] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" > > does > > not exist. > > [ 155.964] Entry deleted from font path. > > [ 155.980] (==) FontPath set to: > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, > > built-ins > > [ 155.981] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" > > [ 155.981] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of > > input devices. > > If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or > > disable > > AutoAddDevices. > > [ 155.983] (II) Loader magic: 0xb207a8 > > [ 155.984] (II) Module ABI versions: > > [ 155.984] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 > > [ 155.984] X.Org Video Driver: 25.2 > > [ 155.984] X.Org XInput driver : 24.4 > > [ 155.984] X.Org Server Extension : 10.0 > > [ 156.000] (++) using VT number 1 > > > > [ 156.039] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session > > /org/freedesktop/login1/session/_35 > > [ 156.061] (--) PCI:*(0@0:17:0) 1002:4c50:0000:0000 rev 220, Mem > > @ > > 0x82000000/16777216, 0xfd020000/4096, I/O @ 0x00000400/256, BIOS @ > > 0x????????/131072 > > [ 156.067] (II) LoadModule: "glx" > > [ 156.092] (II) Loading > > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so > > [ 156.240] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 156.241] compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 1.0.0 > > [ 156.241] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0 > > [ 156.242] (==) Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 0 > > [ 156.242] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 1 > > [ 156.242] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 2 > > [ 156.242] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout > > [ 156.242] (II) LoadModule: "ati" > > [ 156.244] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so > > [ 156.253] (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 156.253] compiled for 1.21.1.9, module version = 22.0.0 > > [ 156.253] Module class: X.Org Video Driver > > [ 156.253] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2 > > [ 156.254] (II) LoadModule: "mach64" > > [ 156.255] (II) Loading > > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/mach64_drv.so > > [ 156.273] (II) Module mach64: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 156.273] compiled for 1.21.1.16, module version = 6.10.0 > > [ 156.273] Module class: X.Org Video Driver > > [ 156.274] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2 > > [ 156.274] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting" > > [ 156.275] (II) Loading > > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so > > [ 156.291] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 156.291] compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 1.21.1 > > [ 156.292] Module class: X.Org Video Driver > > [ 156.292] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2 > > [ 156.292] (II) LoadModule: "fbdev" > > [ 156.294] (II) Loading > > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so > > [ 156.306] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 156.307] compiled for 1.21.1.3, module version = 0.5.0 > > [ 156.307] Module class: X.Org Video Driver > > [ 156.307] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2 > > [ 156.308] (II) MACH64: Driver for ATI Mach64 chipsets > > [ 156.308] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel > > Drivers: > > kms > > [ 156.308] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev > > [ 156.311] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting > > [ 156.311] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory > > [ 156.314] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev > > [ 156.314] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw" > > [ 156.314] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw" > > [ 156.317] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so > > [ 156.326] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 156.326] compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 0.0.2 > > [ 156.326] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2 > > [ 156.330] (II) MACH64(0): Creating default Display subsection in > > Screen section > > "Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32 > > [ 156.330] (==) MACH64(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 > > [ 156.331] (==) MACH64(0): Using EXA acceleration architecture > > [ 156.333] (EE) Unable to map mmio aperture. Invalid argument > > (22) > > [ 156.333] (WW) MACH64: Mach64 in slot 0:17:0 could not be > > detected! > > [ 156.333] (II) UnloadModule: "mach64" > > [ 156.334] (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable > > configuration. > > [ 156.334] (EE) > > Fatal server error: > > [ 156.334] (EE) no screens found(EE) > > [ 156.335] (EE) > > Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support > > at http://wiki.x.org > > for help. > > [ 156.337] (EE) Please also check the log file at > > "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. > > [ 156.338] (EE) > > [ 156.407] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log > > file. > > > > > > Tried with this xorg.conf: > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "Card0" > > Driver "fbdev" > > Option "fbdev" "/dev/fb0" > > Option "ShadowFB" "true" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "Monitor0" > > HorizSync 30-70 > > VertRefresh 50-120 > > EndSection > > > > Section "Screen" > > Identifier "Screen0" > > Device "Card0" > > Monitor "Monitor0" > > DefaultDepth 16 > > SubSection "Display" > > Depth 16 > > Modes "1024x768" > > EndSubSection > > EndSection > > > > Then this is my Xorg.log: > > > > [ 866.823] > > X.Org X Server 1.21.1.18 > > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > > [ 866.839] Current Operating System: Linux wallstreet 6.1.0-9- > > powerpc > > #1 Debian 6.1.27-1 (2023-05-08) ppc > > [ 866.840] Kernel command line: ramdisk_size=8192 root=/dev/sda8 > > video=atyfb:vmode:14:cmode:16 > > [ 866.851] xorg-server 2:21.1.18-2 > > (https://www.debian.org/support) > > [ 866.856] Current version of pixman: 0.44.0 > > [ 866.866] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > > to make sure that you have the latest version. > > [ 866.867] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) > > default > > setting, > > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) > > unknown. > > [ 866.890] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Sep 6 > > 20:08:03 2025 > > [ 866.898] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" > > [ 866.903] (==) Using system config directory > > "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" > > [ 866.908] (==) ServerLayout "Layout0" > > [ 866.909] (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) > > [ 866.909] (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" > > [ 866.912] (**) | |-->Device "Card0" > > [ 866.913] (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" > > [ 866.913] (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" > > [ 866.913] (**) Allowing byte-swapped clients > > [ 866.913] (==) Automatically adding devices > > [ 866.913] (==) Automatically enabling devices > > [ 866.914] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices > > [ 866.914] (==) Automatically binding GPU devices > > [ 866.914] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff > > [ 866.915] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" > > does > > not exist. > > [ 866.915] Entry deleted from font path. > > [ 866.915] (==) FontPath set to: > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, > > built-ins > > [ 866.916] (**) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" > > [ 866.916] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', > > 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. > > [ 866.916] (WW) Disabling Keyboard0 > > [ 866.916] (WW) Disabling Mouse0 > > [ 866.916] (II) Loader magic: 0xc307a8 > > [ 866.917] (II) Module ABI versions: > > [ 866.917] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 > > [ 866.917] X.Org Video Driver: 25.2 > > [ 866.917] X.Org XInput driver : 24.4 > > [ 866.917] X.Org Server Extension : 10.0 > > [ 866.933] (++) using VT number 1 > > > > [ 866.973] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session > > /org/freedesktop/login1/session/_31 > > [ 866.992] (--) PCI:*(0@0:17:0) 1002:4c50:0000:0000 rev 220, Mem > > @ > > 0x82000000/16777216, 0xfd020000/4096, I/O @ 0x00000400/256, BIOS @ > > 0x????????/131072 > > [ 866.993] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default. > > [ 866.994] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw" > > [ 866.997] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so > > [ 867.000] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 867.000] compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 0.0.2 > > [ 867.000] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2 > > [ 867.001] (II) LoadModule: "dbe" > > [ 867.001] (II) Module "dbe" already built-in > > [ 867.001] (II) LoadModule: "extmod" > > [ 867.001] (II) Module "extmod" already built-in > > [ 867.002] (II) LoadModule: "glx" > > [ 867.003] (II) Loading > > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so > > [ 867.026] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 867.027] compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 1.0.0 > > [ 867.028] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0 > > [ 867.028] (II) LoadModule: "fbdev" > > [ 867.030] (II) Loading > > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so > > [ 867.032] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 867.032] compiled for 1.21.1.3, module version = 0.5.0 > > [ 867.033] Module class: X.Org Video Driver > > [ 867.033] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2 > > [ 867.033] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev > > [ 867.034] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev > > [ 867.035] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw" > > [ 867.035] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw" > > [ 867.037] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so > > [ 867.037] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 867.037] compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 0.0.2 > > [ 867.038] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2 > > [ 867.040] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev > > [ 867.040] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw" > > [ 867.040] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw" > > [ 867.042] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so > > [ 867.042] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > [ 867.043] compiled for 1.21.1.18, module version = 0.0.2 > > [ 867.043] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 25.2 > > [ 867.044] (EE) No devices detected. > > [ 867.045] (EE) > > Fatal server error: > > [ 867.045] (EE) no screens found(EE) > > [ 867.046] (EE) > > Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support > > at http://wiki.x.org > > for help. > > [ 867.046] (EE) Please also check the log file at > > "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. > > [ 867.047] (EE) > > [ 867.125] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log > > file. > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll probably end up using whatever .config file the > > > > > developer > > > > > who > > > > > investigates the possible kernel regressions recommends. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not using an xorg.conf file in either Debian SID or > > > > > Gentoo (I > > > > > haven't needed to use an xorg.conf file since Debian 7.8 in > > > > > Sparc64). > > > > > > > > > > For now I'll be sticking with Gentoo for these particular > > > > > kernel > > > > > regression tests.
