I would be willing to help out with some task like organizing the documentation and/or translations;
of course also testing packages on the user end as needed. I like the idea of a top organizational mastermind making some task sub- teams; and I'm willing to head-up 1-2 things appointed to me. I've read through a lot of what's out there, including Rogérto's work on Grub2, etc. I would also like to suggest the ppc task force includes right at the top of any pages or docs a list of the most reccomended by the team, power pc systems to use.. I realized after reading Lennart's e-mail that I had no idea that ppc was so widely used. [ side question, what is the favorite non-apple powerpc laptop of somebodies ? If I go pick up a low-cost used or discontinud laptop ] All the Best JB On Thursday 21 November 2013 15:16:07 Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 03:07:39AM -0200, Rogério Brito wrote: > > Dear people, > > > > Motivated by: > > > > * the results of the last call to porters > > * the fact that PowerPC (at least) used to be an architecture where > > Debian > > > > shined > > > > * the lack of external support (which means that we should help > > ourselves) * the documentation that is too spread > > * the need of architecture-specific tools (pbbuttonsd? mouseemu? > > > > gtkpbbutons? anything that needs to be revived? yahoot? grub2?) > > grub2 upstream at least is working quite well on powerpc. I have been > using it on power6 and power7 systems for 3 or 4 years now. > > I would assume the *button* things are powermac related given I hadn't > heard of them before. > > > I thought: perhaps are people out there that may be interested in shaping > > up the powerpc port of Debian? > > > > In fact, since: > > > > * Ubuntu doesn't offer an official PowerPC release anymore. > > * Apple has long given up updating the operating system for PowerPC > > users. * Major projects like Chromium/v8/nodejs are not available for > > PowerPC. * Firefox for PowerPC is essentially dead as far as Mozilla is > > concerned, > > > > with only a very bright enthusiast working on building it with > > JavaScript acceleration (http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/), > > > > we are essentially orphans of the architecture. Again, would anybody else > > be interested in addressing the current problems that PowerPC seems to > > have? > > > > It would be super nice to work on having the installs as good as possible > > (meaning: "working with as little fiddling as possible after a fresh > > install"), integrating intelligence about snd-aoa, snd-powermac etc. in > > debian-installer, making the 3D thing work as well as feasible, > > automatically suggesting programs (alas, even firmware) that are of use > > for a powerpc user? > > So on which systems are you thinking? Old powermacs or modern IBM > pSeries? > > > What about this idea? > > > > Perhaps we can already grab/compile the resources that others have > > already kept (say, the Gentoo pages, which are very good, the Ubuntu > > PowerPC FAQ, which is another very good resource), an old document that > > I, a long time ago, started writing at > > https://github.com/rbrito/powerpc-tutorial etc. > > > > Of course, having both the document for those people that want to know > > how things are done and having the code that just works is the golden > > goal... > > > > Please, let me know if you are interested in joining efforts. I will only > > commit efforts if I see other people contributing, as I have my hands > > full already. > > I think other than the installer needing a bit of work to know the > correct partition setup to use on IBM powerpc systems (as far as I recall > wheezy still doesn't quite do the right thing, although it has been a > while since I did a new install), and making it install grub2 properly > on systems where that is a better choice, it actually works quite well > out of the box these days.A > > Certainly for a while yaboot was hopelessly out of date which made the IBM > systems impossible to use it on, and grub2 wasn't good enough for it yet. > I think yaboot is now new enough to work, and grub2 is working quite > well too. > > I have no experience with the powermacs and other than the dual G5s, > they are just so hopelessly slow and outdated that I can't imagine really > bothering with them. complete original thread: On Thursday 21 November 2013 06:07:39 Rogério Brito wrote: > Dear people, > > Motivated by: > > * the results of the last call to porters > * the fact that PowerPC (at least) used to be an architecture where Debian > shined > * the lack of external support (which means that we should help ourselves) > * the documentation that is too spread > * the need of architecture-specific tools (pbbuttonsd? mouseemu? > gtkpbbutons? anything that needs to be revived? yahoot? grub2?) > > I thought: perhaps are people out there that may be interested in shaping > up the powerpc port of Debian? > > In fact, since: > > * Ubuntu doesn't offer an official PowerPC release anymore. > * Apple has long given up updating the operating system for PowerPC users. > * Major projects like Chromium/v8/nodejs are not available for PowerPC. > * Firefox for PowerPC is essentially dead as far as Mozilla is concerned, > with only a very bright enthusiast working on building it with JavaScript > acceleration (http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/), > > we are essentially orphans of the architecture. Again, would anybody else > be interested in addressing the current problems that PowerPC seems to > have? > > It would be super nice to work on having the installs as good as possible > (meaning: "working with as little fiddling as possible after a fresh > install"), integrating intelligence about snd-aoa, snd-powermac etc. in > debian-installer, making the 3D thing work as well as feasible, > automatically suggesting programs (alas, even firmware) that are of use for > a powerpc user? > > What about this idea? > > Perhaps we can already grab/compile the resources that others have already > kept (say, the Gentoo pages, which are very good, the Ubuntu PowerPC FAQ, > which is another very good resource), an old document that I, a long time > ago, started writing at https://github.com/rbrito/powerpc-tutorial etc. > > Of course, having both the document for those people that want to know how > things are done and having the code that just works is the golden goal... > > Please, let me know if you are interested in joining efforts. I will only > commit efforts if I see other people contributing, as I have my hands full > already. > > > Thanks, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201311251820.14260.gw-supers...@mp3groupie.de
