Hi All On Fri, Apr 20 2007, at 22:46 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:42:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > > Hi All > > > > On Thu, Apr 19 2007, at 23:08 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 05:40:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 19 2007, at 15:05 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Sven, please: stick to the whole truth. They didn't kick you just for > > different opinions on software matters. One reason they did that was > > obviously the fact - if I'm not very much mistaken - that you were > > threatening one person physically: > > On the 27th of marsch, while my mother was dying in el salvador, i went > to read debian-boot to change my ideas, and forwarded to debian-boot a > single mail from i don't remember who who had problems with d-i giving > my best advice, which was not so good after all. Within days, i was > removed from the d-i team, and my svn commit access removed, without > they even telling me, and i discovered this fact a full month later, > when, after the funeral and other issues which had to be handled, i > started again working on debian, more specifically the apus and prep > ports. I think I've heard this side of the story, or sides similar to this one, again and again: ad nauseam, I must say. But I don't remember having ever read about the threats against Jonas when reading your comments, or at least not on this list. And these threats - believe it or not - were crucial when they decided to kick you. Read again this, please: > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00620.html > > Bullshit, bad english is the cause of this, I really hope so. Tho' I have serious doubts it was just bad English. At any rate: you cannot simply point the finger to others after this and ignore the speech you've given. > my intentions was to tell jonas, that i hope we didn't meet again > in public, since after 4 days of trying calmly and constructively to > solve the RC bug at cause with this problem, he managed to get me in > such a state of frustration and anger, that i doubt i would have > been able to control myself in RL, (and would probably thus go away > from him and stop to try to solve the issue, like i did when i meet > him in erkelenz and he explained me during half an hour that no, we > should not look at the RC bug which was causing the kernel to be > uninstallable for months on the pegasos). > > History tells that i was right about the bug in question, Working together with others isn't just a matter of being right or wrong in technical issues. I believe you know that. It is on a large scale determined how persons can cope personally with each other. > > > And under such circumstances, Sven, in nearly every professional > > environment you would have had 5 minutes to pack. Maximum. > > In a professional environment, this guys, would have been removed long > ago, and have no chance to cause further damage to his motivated > co-workers. In a professional environment half the asocial people > composing debina and with delussions of power, would have been sent > packing years before i ever was a problem, and i would have been able to > sue for harrasment for what the d-i team did against me, and i would > have gotten damage money when they chose to expulse me like they did > earlier this month. > > > So if you really want to talk about history, tell us just the whole > > I have always told the whole truth to all who would listen, and i take > it as an extreme insult to my honour that you dare call me a liar like > this, and i would hope you take this back quickly. Slow down. Please. I didn't call you a liar. And I didn't even think about that. Instead I asked you to tell us the whole truth - and I should have added: "and not just some part of it". > > Well, possibly, but have i ever given something else here than good and > honest advice ? Was i ever less than helpful to people asking > question ? I never doubted your seriousness when helping others here. And I still don't do that. > Thruthful and blunt sometimes maybe. Being blunt - if it just means to stick to reality as it is when reporting it - can help. > > And sorry if this is a sore point for me, but i think you would > understand my position too. (and ask me if you want pointers to what > really happened, i will send them to you in private). I don't want to have this whole story again and again in my inbox. The details being publicly available are more than enough. Instead - if I may say - it might help if you get things straight with the folks actually involved. Jonas, Andres. Whoever. HTH Best Regards Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer I made slight changes on Key ID: E3037113. Please refresh it. http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113&fingerprint=on -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
